Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
That’s capitalism. I find the more of a capitalist someone is, the more they worship money and the more they idolize anyone with a lot of it.
It also seems to be the case that the further you are from capitalism and it’s ideals as a person, the more you’re willing to emphasize with those less fortunate and want to help them to succeed.
Agreed. People blame capitalism but our problem isn’t economic: it’s social, psychological, cultural.
That financial obesity is a symptom, but the root is the issue of cooperating with immense amounts of total strangers: no animal is wired for it, almost no one is wired to truly, deeply, emotionally care for nameless and faceless people: strangers who, you feel, won’t help you when you have a fever, but who raise the price of potatoes because they need them too. We say we do care, maybe we even donate 5€ to some cause, but a stranger is a stranger and our day goes on.
That antagonism is even more heartfelt if you were a child who wasn’t give the love they should have been given… Like way too many of us. Burning the village to feel its warmth.
No animal before us had the option, once they had abused the trust of their pack, to easily move hundreds of miles away and start from scratch with a clean reputation.
No animal before us fell into the trap of the paradox of tolerance: if a pack member intentionally and repeatedly damages other members, other animals do not spend a lot of time writing books about feel-good, entirely theorethical principles.
No animal is as detached from themselves as we are: since we have such complicated language with abstract concepts, we can forget the truth of our bodies and live in a fantasy world. We can even deceive ourselves, and make decisions informed by that deception. Even worse, we can deceive others a lot better than other animals: a lying gazelle might maybe sound the “lion!” alarm when there is no lion, but it’s soon discovered; humans instead can brainwash others into standing against their own best interests, and the victim might believe it was their own opinion until their very last breath.
Capitalism creates competition with its advanatages and disadvantages, but I’m not sure it has great alternatives within the current system: incentives are necessary in a society of strangers, although I think the details -such as the amounts and the safeties- should be re-thought.
Again, within the current system. But I believe we will witness big changes in our lifetime (climate, biodiversity, AI, mass surveillance, military drones, a multipolar world, life extension, pandemics…), and who knows, maybe the entire framework might change.
I mean, there are proven negative physical and mental effects to being overweight. None apply to everyone but in general being a healthy weight is, well, healthier
It’s correlated with negative physical and mental effects. That’s not the same thing. Causality has been elusive, and it may be entirely broken to associate one with the other.
See, you just proved my point. You said “healthy weight” even though there is no such thing, and demonstrably so. You are allowing yourself to adopt capitalist thinking.
There is absolutely a healthiest weight (BMI 19-21), supported by mounds of science. Weight higher than the healthiest one causes poor CVD outcomes, higher cancer risk, depression, and many more. That is nearly a fact. Evidence: calorie restriction has a positive effect in laboratory settings. Population studies from questionnaires and direct weight measurement. Longitudinal studies for many decades.
We should not shame anyone for their weight, nobody has to lose weight or do anything. But don’t spread misinformation like that, it’s just not true. Notice I’m not asking you for proof because it’s well established.
So you’re telling me that Walmart, highly engineered and processed foods, food deserts and a general lack of, or disconnection from, traditional cuisine and foodways all have absolutely nothing to do with capitalism… lol, ok man
I love when you worthless right wing dumbfucks come at me with shit like “read the room” and “the downvotes speak for themselves”. I don’t care if everyone is downvoting me. I’m right and you’re a moron.
Obesity applied to just about everything is an existential threat, we evolved as prey animals fighting for scarcity and now have no prey peers except ourselves … so we fight ourselves for resources
A quicker one is to understand biology and where we’re placed ecologically in the food chain.
Eye placement isn’t a bellwether for being a predator. Our forward facing eyes give us pretty good binocular vision which is a pretty good thing for primates to have evolved. Dense foliage is something we’re good at seeing through. We don’t know EXACTLY why we evolved forward facing eyes but this is one of the best theorized guesses.
We have carnivorous traits but are not strictly a predator. We’re somewhere around pigs on the food chain.
What do you consider carnivorous traits? Binocular vision is for depth perception, something the world’s best arm cannon would specialize in. Meanwhile, Orca don’t have binocular vision but are absolutely an apex predator.
Also, humans don’t conform to natural classifications and food chains so arguing what is prey or predator is pointless. Humans are now one of the mass extinction events on this planet and it doesn’t look like that’s going to slow.
We do fight ourselves for resources, but honestly so does basically other animal on earth. Even the previously mentioned orca have had fads of wearing salmon hats for social clout. What makes us special is we understand how we are fucking ourselves over and do it anyway.
Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
That’s capitalism. I find the more of a capitalist someone is, the more they worship money and the more they idolize anyone with a lot of it.
It also seems to be the case that the further you are from capitalism and it’s ideals as a person, the more you’re willing to emphasize with those less fortunate and want to help them to succeed.
Weird huh?
It’s totally not weird at all that there hasn’t been any studies on billionaires brains and what having that much money does to you
Capitalism doesn’t hold a monopoly on financial obesity, it can manifest in many economic models.
Agreed. People blame capitalism but our problem isn’t economic: it’s social, psychological, cultural.
That financial obesity is a symptom, but the root is the issue of cooperating with immense amounts of total strangers: no animal is wired for it, almost no one is wired to truly, deeply, emotionally care for nameless and faceless people: strangers who, you feel, won’t help you when you have a fever, but who raise the price of potatoes because they need them too. We say we do care, maybe we even donate 5€ to some cause, but a stranger is a stranger and our day goes on.
That antagonism is even more heartfelt if you were a child who wasn’t give the love they should have been given… Like way too many of us. Burning the village to feel its warmth.
No animal before us had the option, once they had abused the trust of their pack, to easily move hundreds of miles away and start from scratch with a clean reputation.
No animal before us fell into the trap of the paradox of tolerance: if a pack member intentionally and repeatedly damages other members, other animals do not spend a lot of time writing books about feel-good, entirely theorethical principles.
No animal is as detached from themselves as we are: since we have such complicated language with abstract concepts, we can forget the truth of our bodies and live in a fantasy world. We can even deceive ourselves, and make decisions informed by that deception. Even worse, we can deceive others a lot better than other animals: a lying gazelle might maybe sound the “lion!” alarm when there is no lion, but it’s soon discovered; humans instead can brainwash others into standing against their own best interests, and the victim might believe it was their own opinion until their very last breath.
Capitalism creates competition with its advanatages and disadvantages, but I’m not sure it has great alternatives within the current system: incentives are necessary in a society of strangers, although I think the details -such as the amounts and the safeties- should be re-thought.
Again, within the current system. But I believe we will witness big changes in our lifetime (climate, biodiversity, AI, mass surveillance, military drones, a multipolar world, life extension, pandemics…), and who knows, maybe the entire framework might change.
This is true, but since many of us live under the concepts of capitalism, I felt it was a good point of reference.
Pretty much all the glorified billionaires that I’m aware of are from capitalistic economic models.
Obesity is a nonsense term used by traitors. Let’s not do that. Being fat is fine, capitalism is not.
I mean, there are proven negative physical and mental effects to being overweight. None apply to everyone but in general being a healthy weight is, well, healthier
It’s correlated with negative physical and mental effects. That’s not the same thing. Causality has been elusive, and it may be entirely broken to associate one with the other.
See, you just proved my point. You said “healthy weight” even though there is no such thing, and demonstrably so. You are allowing yourself to adopt capitalist thinking.
There is absolutely a healthiest weight (BMI 19-21), supported by mounds of science. Weight higher than the healthiest one causes poor CVD outcomes, higher cancer risk, depression, and many more. That is nearly a fact. Evidence: calorie restriction has a positive effect in laboratory settings. Population studies from questionnaires and direct weight measurement. Longitudinal studies for many decades.
We should not shame anyone for their weight, nobody has to lose weight or do anything. But don’t spread misinformation like that, it’s just not true. Notice I’m not asking you for proof because it’s well established.
Obesity is a product of capitalism, the very thing you claim to hate. There would be no fat people in your personal utopia.
Being fat has nothing to do with capitalism. You are a right wing traitor lunatic who belongs in prison if you believe that nonsense.
So you’re telling me that Walmart, highly engineered and processed foods, food deserts and a general lack of, or disconnection from, traditional cuisine and foodways all have absolutely nothing to do with capitalism… lol, ok man
I didn’t say that. I agree with that.
Yeah, stop the fat shaming!
Eat the rich!
Don’t eat shit.
Mulch the rich.
Compost the rich
Make them into fertilizer! Yeah!
Read the room, buddy did you really want to Karen out and distract from the message with your petty complaint?
I love when you worthless right wing dumbfucks come at me with shit like “read the room” and “the downvotes speak for themselves”. I don’t care if everyone is downvoting me. I’m right and you’re a moron.
Obesity applied to just about everything is an existential threat, we evolved as prey animals fighting for scarcity and now have no prey peers except ourselves … so we fight ourselves for resources
Humans are predators, not prey. A quick heuristic for this is forward-facing eyes.
A quicker one is to understand biology and where we’re placed ecologically in the food chain.
Eye placement isn’t a bellwether for being a predator. Our forward facing eyes give us pretty good binocular vision which is a pretty good thing for primates to have evolved. Dense foliage is something we’re good at seeing through. We don’t know EXACTLY why we evolved forward facing eyes but this is one of the best theorized guesses.
We have carnivorous traits but are not strictly a predator. We’re somewhere around pigs on the food chain.
What do you consider carnivorous traits? Binocular vision is for depth perception, something the world’s best arm cannon would specialize in. Meanwhile, Orca don’t have binocular vision but are absolutely an apex predator.
Also, humans don’t conform to natural classifications and food chains so arguing what is prey or predator is pointless. Humans are now one of the mass extinction events on this planet and it doesn’t look like that’s going to slow.
We do fight ourselves for resources, but honestly so does basically other animal on earth. Even the previously mentioned orca have had fads of wearing salmon hats for social clout. What makes us special is we understand how we are fucking ourselves over and do it anyway.
Pandas.
Pandas are also not prey animals.
Funnily enough, their digestive system is much more suited for meat, berries, etc, they just refuse to eat anything other than bamboo.