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    1 year ago

    Yes? What kind of question is that? If you answer no to that you’re saying I’m no better than them, and if you’re ok with that then what is your moral high ground here?

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      Would you let them keep doing it while insisting that reprisals are off limits?

      Yes

      Nice of you to value their citizens’ lives above your own. I doubt that will be much of a consolation for your countrymen that you’re willing to sacrifice to violence. Expect more human shields in the future now that you’ve proven the tactic so effective.

      What kind of question is that?

      A moral dilemma.

      If you answer no to that you’re saying I’m no better than them, and if you’re ok with that then what is your moral high ground here?

      If you answered no to that I’d say you’re honestly assessing the grim realities of war, where the goal is to pacify the enemy without sacrificing your own people, even if that may result in collateral damage.

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        Nice of you to value their citizens’ lives above your own.

        the question wasn’t about your citizens, it was about your kids. which makes his answer even more laughable.

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          For purposes of this conversation you can use citizens, civilians, and children interchangeably. All are examples of collateral damage, and many of Hamas’ human shields will fit into multiple categories.

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      1 year ago

      really? you would let them continue killing your kids? tell me you don’t have kids without telling me you don’t have kids 😆

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        How good of you to put words in my mouth. I would not kill your children if you killed mine. You’re fair game but I’m not gonna shoot your children and any other children nearby to get to you. This is not a tricky moral question.

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          question was:

          What if they were shooting your kids while hiding behind their own?

          and your reply was

          yes

          albeit with a question mark, but you followed by explicitly refuting the “no” answer

          If you answer no to that you’re saying I’m no better than them, and if you’re ok with that then what is your moral high ground here?

          what exactly am i putting in your mouth?

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            I don’t know how to explain to you that it’s wrong to kill their kids even if they’ve killed your kids. Especially when you seem determined to misconstrue anything I write.

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              even if they’ve killed your kids.

              they have killed your kids and THEY ARE GOING TO KILL MORE YOUR KIDS.

              when you seem determined to misconstrue anything I write

              i am literally quoting you. what is there to misconstrue?

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                Your still don’t get to kill kids! I don’t know what’s so hard for you to understand about that or why you want so badly for it to be mostly justifiable to kill kids. You’re saying that because of how morally heinous it is to kill kids you should be allowed to kill their kids. Do you not see that?

                You quote me and then you attribute meanings I don’t profess. I do not say you let them keep murdering, I say you do not get to murder children to stop them and frankly again why the fuck do you want to?

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                  Do you not see that?

                  i don’t see that because that is not what i said. you should learn to read. i said i will do anything to protect my kids, even if it means killing yours. i will not protect your kids at the expense of mine. if there is a way not to kill anyone, great. if not, well, bad news for you - you probably shouldn’t have commited terrorism and then hide behind your kids.

                  I do not say you let them keep murdering

                  x

                  I say you do not get to murder children to stop them

                  eh? what? you don’t say A, because you say A?

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                    Holy mother of cognitive dissonance… But let’s set that aside because at least you said that if there’s a way to avoid murdering children, great. Israel has one of the largest, most technologically advanced, highly trained armies in the world. Their whole rhetoric right now is that Hamas is hiding in tunnels and caves under ground. And that they know where the entrances to these tunnels are. You’re trying to tell me they can’t get to those tunnels with their fancy military without murdering thousands of children first? Because your last sentence there is clearly meant to say to me that there is definitely no way to stop Hamas without murdering thousands of Palestinian children.

                    It simply is not right. Your stance is that murdering children is ok sometimes. It is not. I shouldn’t have to explain to you that it is not, and I don’t know how to.