Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @[email protected]
For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.
More context:
It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment
a note on the uyghurs (click to show
For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there’s a lack of evidence that it’s a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).
Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262
He mentions this:
We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.
Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I’ll get to that later.
After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:
He said that it’s different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the “Tank Man” picture to [email protected], as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819
He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.
He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:
The relevant ones here are:
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected].
If you look through other comments, they downvoted me and other users near-systemically, while upvoting comments made by goat.
For example, take a look at their (respective) lemvotes profile pages: https://lemvotes.org/user/[email protected] https://lemvotes.org/user/[email protected] https://lemvotes.org/user/[email protected]
They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.
After a bit more arguing (I’m not posting the specific comments because it’s tedious, and they’re easy to see by scrolling through goat’s profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.
note on the post that comment was in reply to
I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what’s happening to the Uyghurs, they’re saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:
Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn’t give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They’re just doin’ the usual bad faith takes.
Feel free to quote me lol
Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile:
https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615
“Tankie” means the same thing “commie, pinko, and red” do, it’s a pejorative for Marxists and/or those that support existing socialist states. That’s why this thread is even a thing in the first place, the cryptofascists on MWoG are calling even dbzer0 users “tankies” for not just dogmatically accepting everything they believe about socialist states uncritically.
Tankie means that you will enforce your ideology at the barrel of a tank
You are also shilling hostile regime propaganda.
Normal commie will acknowledge abuses of commie regimes… You won’t.
Not the same thing.
Same way some westoid normie still shill their own regimes in earnest.
While others see these clown regimes for what they are.
We are not the same.
I’m ideologically anti-fascist, and I support enforcing that on the Nazis at the barrel of a tank. Guess I’m evil, only obligate pacifism is acceptable.
“Tankie,” again, is a pejorative levied against the same people “commie, pinko, and red” are. Every ideology supports using force against enemies of the ruling class, be that ruling class the bourgeoisie in liberalism and fascism, or the proletariat as it is in socialism. The “normal” communists you refer to, that reject using force to defend socialism, either do not exist or exist only in the west, in areas that have not seen revolution, and think it more akin to a dinner party.
I don’t “shill hostile regime propaganda,” whatever that means. I also do acknowledge real excess in socialist systems, for example the suppression of the LGBT community early on in Cuba, before they made huge strides in that department. What I deny is western propaganda, and I do so with sources.
Yes, you and I are not the same, I’m a communist that pays dues and actually organizes in the real world.
Now do the gulag system and holodomor
What do you mean “do the gulag system and holodomor?”
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Amazing, the generic anti-communism is getting lazier and lazier.
tankie calling a literal communist, anti-communism, because they speak of authoritarian faux-communists atrocities and crimes against humanity…
i will hand it to you, it’s an effective troll technique you’re doing: pretend to be an exaggerated version of the most toxic subset of a group, then try your best to ruin any earnest attempt at conversation….
oh and look, you’re on one of the tankie-triad instances… what a suprise.
sunzu2 is one of the more dogmatic anti-communists, not sure why they pass your test and I don’t. I literally pay dues and organize IRL. It isn’t trolling, either, I wouldn’t go through the effort of putting together Marxist-Leninist introductory reading lists or going to great lengths to dispel red scare-era mythos.
There were no earnest attempts at conversation from sunzu2. You’re reflexively siding with them because they fit your anti-Marxist bias (further affirmed by your “tankie-triad” jab), but if you read honestly it’s immediately clear that I gave far more effort into that conversation than they did.