These silly “russians are the actual good guys” memes are so sad and silly. They want land and power they dont care who the ukranians are.
Nothing Russia could possibly do would ever justify supporting nazis
Have you looked at the Russian side? Strangely you only condemn the Ukrainian side, but not the Nazis in the Russian Russian one
You can say someone is an instigator without supporting either but civilians are being killed that arent nazis or soldiers, which is not justifiable.
War isnt sports.
Idk what part of “nothing justifies supporting goddamned nazis” is confusing for you
Your inability to read.
The US murdered people en masse in japan during WW2, are they off the hook because nazi’s were part of the axis powers and the US wasnt,
Dont be obtuse.More than one group can be bad at once. Ukraine having nazi’s doesn’t make Russia anyone to be supported. You can hate them both and you dont have to pick a side.
If one side is supporting nazis and the other isn’t then the side chooses itself, provided you’re not a fucking nazi of course
i’ve seen lemmy users with that fascist logo for their profile pic lol
You mean the NATO insignia?
Gottem
ha, probably their unofficial one!
the flag of the zionist project?
i mean the ukranian nazi symbolism
the meme has like 4 nazi symbols
7 to be precise
they would pog if he was a regular nazi too
– General Hans Speidel, who participated in the invasions of Poland, France, and the Soviet Union, played a key role in German rearmament and integration into NATO, and in 1957 became Commander-in-Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe.
– Sturmführer Dr. Eberhard Taubert worked with Goebbels in the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda where he was responsible for designing the yellow badge for Jews. After the war, he eventually became an adviser to ex-Nazi Franz Josef Strauss, German Minister of Defence from 1956-62, and was assigned by Strauss to NATO’s “Psychological Warfare Department” which spewed anti-communist propaganda just as Goebbels’ ministry had during the war.
– Nazi Admiral and U-Boat commander Friedrich Guggenberger, whose U-boat sank 17 allied ships, later served as Deputy Chief of Staff in the NATO command Armed Forces North (AFNORTH) 1968-72.
– Johannes Steinhoff, a Luftwaffe fighter pilot, was made Chairman of the NATO Military Committee 1971-74, holding other NATO positions prior to that.
– Johann von Kielmansegg, General Staff officer to the High Command of the Wehrmacht, 1942-44, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1967-68.
– Ernst Ferber, a major in the Wehrmacht, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1973-75.
– Karl Schnell, First General Staff officer of the LXXVI Panzer Corps, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1975-77.
– Franz Joseph Schulze, Chief of the Third Battery of the Flak Storm Regiment 241, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1977-79.
– Ferdinand von Senger und Etterline, Lieutenant of the 24th Panzer Division of the German Sixth Army, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1979-83.
source: https://cpcml.ca/itn220328-tmld-art4/ (thank you communist party of canada…) (plagiarized this comment from @[email protected])
Still laughing about that article talking about the warhammer 40k novels no longer getting a Ukrainian localization where they were interviewing someone in the military with the callsign “Shekel”. Like holy shit.
Many downvotes, no rebuttals. They just cling to “But Russian invaded!” Okay then, do you condemn the Allied forces illegal invasion of Italy on June 6, 1944? Italy wasn’t doing anything to America, the UK and Canada!
This is a meme comm, not necessarily a political debate comm. The meme isn’t really that high of quality.
So what? Most memes are low quality. You’re also kinda proving the point of the meme.
Lol I’m plenty aware Ukraine is Nazi infested, but the downvote stays.
Unsurprising
What the fuck is this post can someone explain
Russian propaganda justifying the invasion of Ukraine
This community has a real problem with defending Russia on the invasion of Ukraine. Think this is the last post I’ve seen from here.
Oh I didn’t realize I’m subscribed to a memes community on .ml I just followed the memes topic on Piefed topics are just basically a group of communities in piefed
and libs seem to have a real problem with defending the fascist nato army…
“Russia invading Ukraine” is a western propaganda line, to be accurate it should be more along the lines of “Russia invades the nazi puppet government of the US empire to prevent further empire NATO imperialism and reestablish the Ukrainian peoples proper government”
Not gonna convince you, but in case others read…
- Ukraine is a sovereign nation
- Ukraine holds elections
- Ukraine is known for corruption but had been improving
- Ukraine has ethnic Russians in the Eastern areas of the country, but more Russians were sent into the region as agitators before the annexation of Crimea
- Russia believes Ukraine as both a country and culture should not exist, according to their strategy published in Foundations of Geopolitics, which they have clearly been following the past few decades
- Ukraine is a major grain producer for Russia and Europe, so the region is highly valuable
- Ukraine had been discussing NATO membership before the war
- NATO was created explicitly in response to fears of invasion of European nations by the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation is seen as the inheritor of the Soviet Union
- Russia considers NATO a nearly existential threat and has historically exerted political pressure over neighboring states to prevent them from joining NATO
- In text, NATO acts as a mutual defense pact, among other provisions around economic and political cooperation
- In practice, NATO has only been invoked in the Iraq War, attacks against Turkey from Syria and terrorist forces, and Russian incursions into Ukraine. Note that since Ukraine is not a member, NATO has not responded with the full provisions demanded in the text. It had been invoked by neighboring and nearby nations.
- At the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine signed a treaty with Russia to hand over their nuclear weapons in exchange for guarantees of sovereignty and peace
- During the war, Russia has targeted and destroyed both civilian and military assets and individuals in Ukraine
- During the war, Ukraine has made drone strikes against military targets in Russia proper, including Moscow
Puppet government is a stretch and depends on your definition. Considering that Ukraine is not a member of NATO despite several economic ties with the US, I don’t think it’s much of a puppet state, if at all. (Edit: I say this not to suggest that NATO is subject to the US, but it would be highly beneficial to the US if Ukraine had become a member long, long ago.) The Ukrainian government being full of Nazis is generally considered fake news, but I haven’t seen evidence one way or the other.
NATO is not imperialist, as it does not establish hierarchical relationships. It is quite egalitarian. If anything, it encourages Europe to be more self sufficient, as the US wanted to minimize commitment to joining a European war. It is also meant to discourage and if possible prevent conflict among members. You could argue post-colonial economic dependence on the US, but… what countries don’t have that?
Also, to break the logic in the commenter’s argument… if a nation exhibiting Nazi behavior - that is, genocide or subjugation/mistreatment of a demographic under the government’s rule - then we should invade the following countries for the mentioned populations:
- China for Uyghurs and arguably Mongolians
- India for Muslims
- US for immigrants
- Several African nations
- Myanmar for several ethnic groups
- Israel for Palestinians/Arabs
- Some middle eastern nations for denominations of Islam
- Russia for homosexual people
While I’m a fan of… you know, not abusing populations, I’m also not a fan of invading sovereign nations. So Russia’s justification for invasion is a pretense and has a huge amount of historical context around it. OP’s argument is highly flawed.
I’ll only respond to items with cited evidence. Cited evidence should not include state-backed media or unreputable sources like some clearly extremist “news” site or individual blog.
If you’d like my citations, lemme know. Typed this up on mobile, so a bit of a pain. Corrections always welcome with proper evidence. Being corrected is good learning :)
This is an incredibly poor comment filled with unsupported gish-gallop. By making a mountain of claims without sourcing any of them, you try to hide behind the sheer numbers, then you quickly add that you only trust western, capitalist owned mass media. It’s incredibly dishonest.
Secondly, the fact that the current, far-right nationalist government in Ukraine reveres Stepan Bandera was even reported on by NPR in 2014. Bandera was a Nazi-collaborator that participated in the holocaust, the west backed the neo-nazis because they are the most violently anti-communist and anti-Russian.
Third, people do not say NATO is imperialist towards itself. NATO is an anti-communist, pro-imperialist millitary alliance of imperialist countries. The US is not imperializing Europe, Europe is vassalized but ultimately beneficiaries of imperialism. NATO destroyed Libya, Yugoslavia, organized terrorist attacks, encircles countries hostile to the west, etc. It’s the sheild that keeps the system by which the west loots and plunders the world in check. The fact that you don’t even know what leftists are talking about when we oppose NATO and are confusing it for being imperialist towards itself means you aren’t equipped to address the topic at hand.
Then, at the end, you throw in a mixed bag of claims without any backing. Israel should collapse so Palestine should be free. The US Empire should collapse, so the global south can be free. China isn’t anywhere close to as bad as the US, Europe, etc with how it treats the Uyghurs in Xjnjiang, read this Xinjiang Resource List.
If you’re on mobile, make shorter claims and back them up, don’t just list a mountain of unbacked claims and hope you aren’t called out on it.
Damn, you’re in deep. Good luck.
ROFL Says the liberal who refuses to see over the wall of western brainwashing
So Russia is invading? That alone, pretty much regardless of the reason, is enough to side with Ukraine.
But that reason, even if true, is one of the stupidest reasons to invade. A softer, more propaganda focused approach would be both far more effective and far less costly, in both lives and resources. So either Russian leadership is so useless that an invasion is the best they can come up with, or they’re invading to take over Ukraine. Incompetent to the point of malice, or malice. Take your pick.
Ah yes, because the fascist one for sure isn’t the country where people are afraid to speak openly. Let’s conviently forget what it’s doing to say, feminist voices inside it’s own borders. I’m not exactly a fan of most governments, but to pretend that Ukraine was doing anything to justify being invaded by Russia is just sympathy for fascism.
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Says the liberal who refuses to see over the wall of western brainwashing
Says the tankie who refuses to see beyond the wall of Russian brainwashing
“Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land” -Karl Liebknecht.
True for both western and eastern country’s comrade ;)
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That’s not fucking true they fucking killed people just like israel killed Palestinians just because a eastern country attacked a western company that doesn’t equal a good cause
Soz, but you’re just continuing to parrot empire propa, Russia had a very good cause to put an end to relentless US imperialism through NATO. Of course all the western media is going to exaggerate on everything to make them seem horrible to those who believe the propaganda
I’m sorry, but what’s the track record for ‘foreign intervention to fight imperialism’ after WWII?
I’ll tell you: disaster. Every, single, one, western or not.
I find this:
Russia invades the nazi puppet government of the US empire to prevent further empire NATO imperialism and reestablish the Ukrainian peoples proper government
So ironic it goes from being painful to hilarious to painful again. Somehow, this one liberation war, among all in the last 100 years, will be the justified and successful one. Like how Americans were so happy being stuck in what was supposed to be a quick ‘liberation war’ in Vietnam. To quote Johnson:
Why are these realities our concern? Why are we in South Vietnam? We are there because we have a promise to keep. Since 1954 every American president has offered support to the people of South Vietnam. We have helped to build, and we have helped to defend. Thus, over many years, we have made a national pledge to help South Vietnam defend its independence. And I intend to keep that promise…
…But yeah. Oh, this one is the exception if we keep going, sure. Nods head and pats back. We’ll talk again in a few years…
Everyone arguing in this thread for two imperial powers lol the only people who make sense today are the anarchists.
Dont get fooled by the .ml brigade. The large majority of communists are not tankies simping for imperialist Russia but very aware that those imperialist powers need to be fought to establish a just society. We mostly just focus on the imperialist country we are living in
Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land (the main enemy is in ones own country) -Karl Liebknecht
Both are bad in their own ways what you say is very true
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Clicked without looking, knew without checking.
I think [email protected] doesn’t understand why so many of their posts get mass downvoted, like pointing out this revelation to other instances…
We. Freaking. KNOW!
Western fediverse instances know there was a freakin Nazi battalion in Ukraine, and rampant corruption, and other problems. We know ‘the west’ has been, and is, imperialist, hypocritical, genocidal and transactionally shit to other countries. This isn’t /r/conservative with bots preaching on about the virtues of western patriotism in 2025, this is a refuge for deep internet dwellers either watching their countries burn down around them (like me in the US), or, according to polls, barrel headfirst into the same techno-fascist utopias (largely Europe right now).
Memes like this are pretentious. It’s insulting, and most of all, insensitive.
How ridiculous would it look if Americans repeatedly pointed out how awful a trading partner China is in the geopolitical space compared to the US? Or if we constantly filled Lemmy with memes about how inclusive and virtuous and definitely-not-racist the American megacorps are compared to, say, North Korea? What if we set Ukraine aside for a sec and started memeing on the crises in Russia’s backyard, while utterly refusing to even acknowledge the dumpster fires in our own?
…So, yeah.
Even setting a ton of stuff aside, you’re preaching to the choir, in a really unfun way.
This meme is also wrong, at least on the top half, because apparently the majority of my country thinks rebadged, redneck/cyberpunk flavored neo-nazism is the way forward :(
I guess it’d be nice if I had a victim complex big enough to obsess over other countries instead of my own, but I’m sorry, I can barely think over Fox News raging about how white Christians and Donald Trump are victims in the background.
So you know there are nazis in Ukraine and that the US materially supports them and you’re mad that it’s being discussed? Stupid or nazi, if not both
I’m sick of finger wagging over what other nations are doing juxtaposed with shameless fawning over the righteousness their own governments.
I’m sick of obsessions over how awful NATO is for their involvement in Ukraine, from people who turn around, and in the same breath, praise the virtues of yet another post WWII ‘liberation war’, like the Ukraine War will somehow not end in disaster like every. Single. One. Can you even name a post WWII intervention that ended well?
But noooo, those last hundred interventions were totally different than this one! Yeah, that lines up with historical precedent, sure.
You have no right to finger wag about westerners living in a bubble. Or intervening in another country.
And no. I am not a Nazi.
So Lemmy.ml can either get an ounce of self humility, not a lot, just a little. Or they can take their downvote barrage.
Nobody cares about your downvotes pseud, cry about it
There’s fascists in the US government right now, does that justify an invasion of the US? Stupid question, to you of course it does
