Besides, it’s not on Newsom to do that, there’s nothing he’s actually doing.
It’s handled by lower level state politicians deciding on if Cali voters will have a chance to vote on if it should happen.
If Newsom was just a megaphone and was talking about the work those people were doing to make it happen, I wouldn’t be so negative about him. But he’s textbook CEO claiming they personally built a product. He’s Elon Musk before most people realized he’s a piece of shit.
We have the best chance in 30 years for a progressive to win the Dem primary and then the general. We can’t waste it just because Newsom hired some teenager for meme research.
IMO the best chance was in 2016 and when it failed the fallout was catastrophic. We can encourage people vote for our preferred candidate in the primary without insulting the opponent and creating tribalistic divides in the progressive party.
Nah, 2008 we had no chance. But when Obama won he ignored the DNC leaving neoliberals in charge.
So they focused on changing the “weak points” that allowed Obama to pull an upset. In 2016 Hillary was literally funding the DNC, and her campaign had final say on every action the DNC took and everything they said.
That wasn’t even an agreement most members of the DNC were aware of, we only know because Donna Brazile blew the whistle as interim chair.
2016 I thought Bernie had a shot, but he never did. They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win. That’s how bad shit really was.
If anything I undersold how long it’s been. Even back with Jimmy Carter the DNC faced a revolt because he was a hard right pivot compared to FDR and not really what Dem voters want.
The Overton window has just moved so far right, we remember him as the last good one and not the first moderate one. So I wouldn’t object to the argument that this is the best chance in 50 years.
It’s truly historic, but we had to go thru some shit to get here. And someone like Newsom would make it all worth nothing.
Jimmy Carter was an okay president. Despite his “decrease government spending” stance he was still able to establish the US Department of Education, continued the promotion of peace and aid to impoverished and war-torn regions (a stark reversal of the more aggressive policies of JFK’s foreign policy failures, as well as policies of Ford and Nixon). Due to economic insecurity of the time he lost in a landslide to Reagan who went on to cut taxes for the rich, very unfortunate.
Carter was “ok” but the party pushing him almost caused the DNC to split, and was the begining of a move to the right that lasted generations…
You’re comparing Carter to everyone who came after and said he’s progressive.
While ignoring the Dem before him is widely recognized as the peak of modern liberalism, the thing before neoliberalism…
Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society was aimed at expanding civil rights, public broadcasting, access to health care, aid to education and the arts, urban and rural development, consumer protection, environmentalism, and public services. He sought to create better living conditions for low-income Americans by spearheading the war on poverty. As part of these efforts, Johnson signed the Social Security Amendments of 1965, which resulted in the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. Johnson made the Apollo program a national priority; enacted the Higher Education Act of 1965 which established federally insured student loans; and signed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 which laid the groundwork for U.S. immigration policy today. Johnson’s civil rights legacy was shaped by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1968. Due to his domestic agenda, Johnson’s presidency marked the peak of modern American liberalism in the 20th century.[2] Johnson’s foreign policy prioritized containment of communism, including in the ongoing Vietnam War.
I’m not saying Carter was a useless piece of shit, I’m saying he’s the one that started walking to the right, and the people after him went past the middle.
JFK was very left wing except for all of the times he bombed people for little to no reason at all.
Thats why I called it his foreign policy failures. He had a couple of successes, too, but Jimmy Carter had a much better track record with peace and making allies.
They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win.
First you just make shit up.
That’s how bad shit really was.
Then you have the gall to say this. It literally wasn’t.
I’ve voted for Bernie every chance I’ve had. I’ve volunteered for Bernie. But this demonization of establishment Dems only serves the Nazis.
See also: people who say the Dems have done everything they can to stop the soon to be NYC mayor. Other than self serving Cuomo, who isn’t even a dem anymore, what have they done?
But this demonization of establishment Dems only serves the Nazis.
Look at my profile, I spend a good amount of time stumping for the modern DNC.
My problem is with neoliberals, because they are what got us into this mess.
Literally, just vote blue
No
No one’s vote is obligated in the general.
Blindly voting for anyone with a D by their name hasn’t worked out nationally.
On a national scale we need to encourage everyone to vote in the presidential primary, because it’s actually going to be fair this time.
If turnout is high. We’ll get someone who breezes thru the general. No one will have to say “blue no matter who” because it’ll be who the voters already want
If turnout is low, some asshat like Newsom might get it, and we’re fucked if it’s him and a Republican in the general.
I agree. There’s a hell of a lot of room for more progressive candidates, and I think they can give people things to be excited about instead of being milquetoast.
My point is
If you tell people not to vote, fewer people will vote.
How in the hell are you going to get Dems to change if you “just vote blue”. That’s how we ended up with Hillary and Hillary 2.0 (Kamala). And no, Givesomefucks is not “just making shit up”, but you’re the one who seems to not know what the fuck they’re talking about. Bernie should have run as an Independent, I believe he would have kicked both their asses in 2016. Instead he rolled over like a good little lapdog and tried to shepherd people back to the Dems. How’d that work out?
Eggs ain’t chickens…
Besides, it’s not on Newsom to do that, there’s nothing he’s actually doing.
It’s handled by lower level state politicians deciding on if Cali voters will have a chance to vote on if it should happen.
If Newsom was just a megaphone and was talking about the work those people were doing to make it happen, I wouldn’t be so negative about him. But he’s textbook CEO claiming they personally built a product. He’s Elon Musk before most people realized he’s a piece of shit.
We have the best chance in 30 years for a progressive to win the Dem primary and then the general. We can’t waste it just because Newsom hired some teenager for meme research.
IMO the best chance was in 2016 and when it failed the fallout was catastrophic. We can encourage people vote for our preferred candidate in the primary without insulting the opponent and creating tribalistic divides in the progressive party.
Nah, 2008 we had no chance. But when Obama won he ignored the DNC leaving neoliberals in charge.
So they focused on changing the “weak points” that allowed Obama to pull an upset. In 2016 Hillary was literally funding the DNC, and her campaign had final say on every action the DNC took and everything they said.
That wasn’t even an agreement most members of the DNC were aware of, we only know because Donna Brazile blew the whistle as interim chair.
2016 I thought Bernie had a shot, but he never did. They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win. That’s how bad shit really was.
If anything I undersold how long it’s been. Even back with Jimmy Carter the DNC faced a revolt because he was a hard right pivot compared to FDR and not really what Dem voters want.
The Overton window has just moved so far right, we remember him as the last good one and not the first moderate one. So I wouldn’t object to the argument that this is the best chance in 50 years.
It’s truly historic, but we had to go thru some shit to get here. And someone like Newsom would make it all worth nothing.
Jimmy Carter was an okay president. Despite his “decrease government spending” stance he was still able to establish the US Department of Education, continued the promotion of peace and aid to impoverished and war-torn regions (a stark reversal of the more aggressive policies of JFK’s foreign policy failures, as well as policies of Ford and Nixon). Due to economic insecurity of the time he lost in a landslide to Reagan who went on to cut taxes for the rich, very unfortunate.
Carter was “ok” but the party pushing him almost caused the DNC to split, and was the begining of a move to the right that lasted generations…
You’re comparing Carter to everyone who came after and said he’s progressive.
While ignoring the Dem before him is widely recognized as the peak of modern liberalism, the thing before neoliberalism…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson
I’m not saying Carter was a useless piece of shit, I’m saying he’s the one that started walking to the right, and the people after him went past the middle.
A bit disingenuous to say Carter was the outlier and saying Lindon B. Johnson was somehow the baseline.
Are you calling JFK rightwing?
Truman?
Because go back any further and you hit FDR…
Compare Carter to the Dems before him, and he’s way more conservative. Compare him to Dems after, and he’s more liberal.
He was the tipping point, and not in a good way
JFK was very left wing except for all of the times he bombed people for little to no reason at all.
Thats why I called it his foreign policy failures. He had a couple of successes, too, but Jimmy Carter had a much better track record with peace and making allies.
First you just make shit up.
Then you have the gall to say this. It literally wasn’t.
I’ve voted for Bernie every chance I’ve had. I’ve volunteered for Bernie. But this demonization of establishment Dems only serves the Nazis.
See also: people who say the Dems have done everything they can to stop the soon to be NYC mayor. Other than self serving Cuomo, who isn’t even a dem anymore, what have they done?
It’s literally just vote blue, Mamdani or not.
Have you never heard of a hypothetical before?
I think you need to read this:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
Look at my profile, I spend a good amount of time stumping for the modern DNC.
My problem is with neoliberals, because they are what got us into this mess.
No
No one’s vote is obligated in the general.
Blindly voting for anyone with a D by their name hasn’t worked out nationally.
On a national scale we need to encourage everyone to vote in the presidential primary, because it’s actually going to be fair this time.
If turnout is high. We’ll get someone who breezes thru the general. No one will have to say “blue no matter who” because it’ll be who the voters already want
If turnout is low, some asshat like Newsom might get it, and we’re fucked if it’s him and a Republican in the general.
What is it, 34% of the country that didn’t vote? If we had gotten everyone to vote, it would have been a blowout.
If you give voters something they want instead of a douche or a turd sandwich…
More people are going to vote.
That’s literally the whole point of what I’m saying.
Give voters a fair primary and enjoy the easy win in the general.
I agree. There’s a hell of a lot of room for more progressive candidates, and I think they can give people things to be excited about instead of being milquetoast.
My point is
If you tell people not to vote, fewer people will vote.
How in the hell are you going to get Dems to change if you “just vote blue”. That’s how we ended up with Hillary and Hillary 2.0 (Kamala). And no, Givesomefucks is not “just making shit up”, but you’re the one who seems to not know what the fuck they’re talking about. Bernie should have run as an Independent, I believe he would have kicked both their asses in 2016. Instead he rolled over like a good little lapdog and tried to shepherd people back to the Dems. How’d that work out?