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Maybe they lived in the place before the landlords turned the economy over to tourists.
If I lived in Barcelona and got kicked out of my apartment so it could be a peak-season AirBnB and stay 75% vacant the rest of the year I’d be pissed off too.
That’s because that city’s economy didn’t start dependent on Tourism.
Tourism was just some kind of “silver bullet” that the local incompetent politicians chose because they were incapable of managing the place properly and make it better.
Further, Tourism isn’t exactly an activity that can bring a place to the forefront of Economic and Technological development: almost by definition you have to be behind those who are at the forefront and have cheap enough prices to attract tourists from those other, wealthier places - Tourism it’s the ultimate “second” World activity.
I’m from one such city, Lisbon, and it’s become a joke of a place, sort of an open air entertainment park on top of an historic city, slowly losing character and with the locals getting priced out of buying a home there which is pushing all other Economic activity out, especially things that rely on younger people (who are the ones most hit by the housing costs) such as Tech.
The country spent tons of money in training people to be Doctors, Engineers, Architects and so on and now the Economy is ever more based on cleaning rooms, making beds and serving drinks - literally half of the students graduating from University leave the country.
Betting on Tourism is betting on Mediocrity.
There really is no better proof of the profound incompetence, mediocrity and provincialism of Portuguese politicians than their bet of almost 20% (and growing) of the country’s Economy on Tourism.
That said, it’s not the fault of tourists.
the advent of airbnb and consorts did far more to the downwards spiral of beautiful places all over the world than the tourists themselves could ever do on their own.
suddenly the tourists don’t book the hotels but occupy space meant for regular people . a handful of greedy assholes profits while easily dodging taxes, health or privacy standards and any accountability really.
tourists obviously take the perceived cheapest comfortable accommodation closest to their goal. the large airbnb owners even cosplay as this normal local guy
Went up to London a couple of months back to see Pulp. Hit up AirBnB to look for a cute place to stay.
It quickly became apparent that the vast majority of places listed on there are owned by investment firms, or at the very least, firms that own a large portfolio of AirBnB properties. Ended up staying in a cheap, no frills chain hotel near the O2, because fuck that shit.
If I think too hard about how much companies like AirBnB, Uber, Amazon and such have fucked our local economies, I get really angry. So I tend not to.
The locals who dislike tourists are most likely not the same locals who profit from tourism. Wealth is too concentrated, that’s also true for e.g. big hotels or shops in the picturesque old town. If every second or third resident had a room rented out to a tourist that’d likely be a different story. But same as always, some people profit, but all the people suffer the increased traffic, noise, waste, rent etc.
I don’t really care about tourists hanging out in the tourist areas. But could they just drive the speed limit. I get that it’s beautiful, pull over and take some pictures you’ve got 3 cars behind you. They could also make sure their tires aren’t bald when they drive up in the winter, yes good tires are a must around here. Also if they wouldn’t litter out in nature that would be great too. Or if they would start hikes early in the morning instead of it getting dark out and calling 9-11 for a rescue because they’re lost now. Or just learn how to use caltopo, it makes orienteering trivial.
P.S. if you have to shit, walk off the trail somewhere out of sight. No one wants to step on that.
Living in a forest and lakes area that attracts tourists year round now, it’s the damage they cause to the surrounding forest and even private property that makes us locals dislike them.
and dig a hole for it if you can, don’t just leave it in the open, at least cover it in something
Yes, those are the rules. But I’d be happy with them if they would at least not poop on the trail. Baby steps
P.S. if you have to shit, walk off the trail somewhere out of sight. No one wants to step on that.
I was taught to put my garbage in my pocket until I can throw it in ghe trash, so I just shit my pants until I can find a toilet.
Leave no trace rules say you should poop into a bag and carry it out. But I have a little rhyme for you.
"When I shit my pants
I feed the plants
Cause I have no pants at all"
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Had 3 or so americans in the train. The kids screaming and even came up to my ear to yell in it! They didnt have their kids under control.
Or american “woo!”-girls in the inner city talking so loudly you could hear them 2 streets down about how “its so primitive here.”, we “should have a parking spot for them in the center.” So they “dont need to walk so much”.
There are lots of respectful people tourists. But i have yet to meet a respectful tourist from USA
Yes you have, you just didn’t know they were American or you forgot about them because they weren’t memorable.
Your so cute, apparently you have never met well off Chinese tourists.
I have seen what they do online but not encountered them yet, you are right
Comments in this thread are weirdly one sided. I get the airbnb shit, mass tourism, and all that, but to me it’s more a symptom of late stage capitalism.
At which point do you stop becoming a tourist yourself? Has nobody ever been to another city or region? Are you not sometimes a tourist in your own city, region, or country? You always stay home and never go anywhere?
As a Montrealer, am I a nasty tourist for going to Québec City? Should I stick to my own city? Am I a bad tourist for going to another province? Is Vancouver too far or too rich? Is Toronto too far too? Would I be a bad tourist for going to visit and spend a night in Toronto, coming from Montreal? Am I a nasty tourist for going camping in Ontario? Should I stick only to local campings?
Is it only bad when we go to what… 10 km away from our home? 100? 1000? Where is the line? When we need hosting?
I don’t really understand the logic of “fuck tourists”, unless they just want everyone to stay home and never go anywhere.
Personally, even when I am a tourist, I hate tourist shit. Almost always overpriced, overcrowded, often polished turd quality at premium prices. Go from store to store and it’s the same mass produced shit with branding themed for whatever local attractions that place has. Staffed with kids who don’t really give a fuck because they are the cheapest available (not that I blame the kids for not giving a fuck, I know I wouldn’t in their place).
My last vacation was to visit a friend and that was nice. Instead of doing any touristy shit, we mostly hung out at his place and checked out places he liked to go to, which was a way better experience IMO than something curated by people whose main focus is getting as much money as possible from you.
there’s things that are designed for visitors, and then there’s things that are designed for “vacationers” who spend way too much fucking money to just sit around not actually enjoying things for some god forsaken reason.
the former is great, make things enjoyable regardless of where you’re from or how long you’re staying.
People are pissed that they can’t afford rent, where housing is inflated by massive profits of short-term renting. You see more tourists than before, you just want them gone that’s all
More than the inevitable rent-pricing, a lot of people just misbehave, tourists or not. Like most tourists are of course fine, but when you deal with the millions there must be some bad guy in there. I bet most of us don’t even notice tourists unless they’re of the loud variety.
But the same asshole still owns all the houses when the tourists leave. Just because they are gone doesn’t mean the locals will get anything.
It’s just that the same people can afford to own all those houses because they get them rented out to tourists who pay an exuberant amount of money to stay somewhere for a week or two.
If there would be less tourists, the houses should be rented out, because an unused house is money lost. And if locals can’t afford them , and tourists don’t use them, the only option is to lower the prices.
And there is a lot of large landowners that would start losing a lot of money fast if they wouldn’t manage to rent out their houses. Makes me think of a bubble of sorts.
It’s almost as if the meme presents an oversimplified view, and you’ve run with that oversimplification.
that only happens on reddit
I think there is certainly an element to travel tourism that has soured a lot of people, but also the world has become a very cynical place to live in. Mass tourism machines like cruise ships have several layers of issues to them, but they are also the economic centers of many marine locations that wouldn’t be what they are without them, but that’s also sort of the problem with them.
Add into it the cheap air fares, etc… and it opened up the world to the average Joe, who has not the best manners or realistic expectations all the time.
Then, add in the fact there are too damn many of us on this planet that anywhere remotely interesting to visit is packed from dawn to dusk and it gets annoying having to wait for things all the time, especially at home for the 3 months or so people want to see your little stretch of the world.
I get it. I don’t agree with it all but I get it. I work in tourism to a degree. We are spread too far, everywhere you go there is more of us.
Mass tourism machines like cruise ships have several layers of issues to them, but they are also the economic centers of many marine locations that wouldn’t be what they are without them, but that’s also sort of the problem with them.
Very bad example for your point. The port towns visited profit very little from the cruise ships. People sleep, eat and shop on their ship, the local economy sees almost no benefit but the streets are clogged by their day trips.
I’m talking about how bad things like cruise ships are and you are saying I am wrong and then backing me up? Small ports rely heavily on cruise ship visits, large ports fucking hate them. Alaska is basically oil and gas and cruise ships that keep it floating.
anywhere remotely interesting to visit is packed from dawn to dusk
That’s a bit of an exaggeration, I’ve been having the time of my life here in vietnam, just ask the locals for some ideas and check Google maps for traffic to avoid the one everyone is already going to, and you’ll have a beach, mountain, beautiful twisty roads along rivers and mountains, local swimming hole, etc to yourself and like 3 or 4 locals who you have to flee before they invite you to lunch, introduce the whole family, then dinner, then to sleep at their place, marry their daughter, etc.
Its not an issue of too many people, just everyone goes to the same exact place because some influencer recommended it.
Add into it the cheap air fares, etc… and it opened up the world to the average Joe, who has not the best manners or realistic expectations all the time.
Should only rich people should be able to travel? People with more money also have more manners?
add in the fact there are too damn many of us on this planet that anywhere remotely interesting to visit is packed from dawn to dusk and it gets annoying having to wait for things all the time
Just dropping this here: Debunking ‘overpopulation’
There is a football stadium near my home. Those fans should all stay home. I bet some don’t even come from my city. They make public transit busy when there are games! Why do we have to share this world with others?!
EDIT: I don’t want to seem like I entirely disagree but again, capitalism and mass tourism. Social media is also to blame. Societal hype. But if you think you have to wait everywhere that’s “worth” visiting, maybe you can try to spread out. We don’t all have to go visit the Eiffel tower or the same national park in Croatia.
I don’t don’t think it should be just for rich people, but when i was a kid it was rare to travel far abroad, and with it came a sort of feeling of responsibility to represent your place of origin well through good behavior, and be respectful to the place you are visiting, even as a kid i understood that without being told.
That aspect is definitely gone in the era of mass tourism. Every place can be reached quickly and for cheap, it sort of devalues the experience of travelling.
This is all I was alluding too. Change in access is not inherently a bad thing, but it has cheapened the experience over all and expectations have changed along with it. Add in today’s culture of Now Now Now and things are getting tense out there.
It’s not distance it’s behaviour.
You can be from the other side of the planet and as long as your respectful doesn’t really matter. But there is certain types of people, typically those who come in large coaches with lots of other people, that can tend to be rather obnoxious and shove their way to the front, so they can take the same picture that everyone takes in front of whatever local monument you wish to substitute.
Often they seem to be Chinese.
Weirdly, chinese tourists in China are completely different from chinese tourists outside of China, and the effect increases the further you go.
I suspect the ones with money to travel further and to wealthier countries are the kids of new money petty bourgeois who are used to not giving a shit about social consequences.
Has nobody ever been to another city or region? Are you not sometimes a tourist in your own city, region, or country? You always stay home and never go anywhere?
I think you’ll find a lot of your answers here.
Sitting in Cape Cod right now, lol
I hate my customers too. I get it.
Customer service inspires a certain level of misanthropy
Traditional fishing village, no fishermen can afford to live there anymore because of tourists, air B&Bs and holiday homes pushing the price of houses up.
Ever seen Bait? It’s about that exact scenario.
People usually talk to me in their native language. No matter Spain, Greece, Sweden, Britain, Italy, Serbia, Croatia, Germany… I just don’t behave like the typical tourist lol
Well I did get talked to in English while in Thailand… must’ve been my nose
St Lucia seemed generally excited for their tourism. There’s a million all inclusive resorts, but youre encouraged to walk the island, visit the locals, shop anywhere. Every single person i met was pleasant and generally excited to speak with me. I never felt unsafe like they warn about at other tourism destinations
Honestly tho, it felt weird.
As always it’s the amount that makes something healthy or lethal, Tourism is fine, Over-Tourism is not. And while on normal levels of tourism, many people profit, over-tourism brings money to a few big places, and leaves the rest suffering the consequences like unaffordable rents.
A few years ago I was hanging out with an elderly friend of mine and group of tourists walked by and one of threw threw some flowers at my friend’s face and called him ‘f*g’ and just walked away with his friends. Nothing I or anyone could do about it besides just watch and feel humiliated. Another time I was smoking a joint outside (as long as you don’t do it near as school or some shit the cops don’t care because there is typically a DV going on just around the corner and a needle in every fourth arm in my city) and this dude who probably was a cop back home (he just had that look in his eyes) out of the fucking blue started staring me down. Or tried to because by the time I realized what he was doing his friends where already pulling him away and he was just staring at me with such anger like I had just called him gay or something.
At least where I live there is enough cross over of touristy areas and the really bad areas that I get to watch tourists be made uncomfortable when something happens like a homeless woman squats on the sidewalk and takes a piss waving an empty plastic bag in one hand and screaming.
Daily experience in Hawaii. Litterally had a neighbor whose entire ability to survive is based on his wife’s business doing wedding photography complaining about “immigrants and tourists”…
Like bruh. You are a kept man and a poorly performing house husband. Maybe just have the grace to accept things as they are?
This is why the Airbnb ban comes up super controversial too. From an unanalyzed/ outside perspective, the narrative “we need homes for locals” makes sense. Then you find out the entire campaign was pushed entirely by the hotel industry lobby in Waikiki (the counsel member who pushed the ban her husband was litterally on the payroll of the hotel lobby). Then the ban went into effect and it killed thousands of small, pop up businesses that had been cleaning, landscaping, maintaining the rentals. And it didn’t do one iota of good in terms of reducing or stabilizing rent; if anything, it made things worse. The airbnb’ almost all went down one of three tracks: either the owner kept it going illegally (the highest end with wealthiest owners), the owner stopped renting and has left it vacant, or the owner remodeled or sold to a flipper, in which case the house resold for a price quite litterally no locals can afford in rent.
What people don’t want to hear about Airbnb bans is that that they significantly hit the non-corporate, local economies far, far harder. It moved tourists out of local neighborhoods and back into Waikiki, meaning that the dollars those tourists might spend on breakfast, grocery, something on the side of the road in some community outside of Honolulu. It further consolidated power into the very already very small number of hands who own all the hotels in Waikiki, while it did basically nothing to stabilize rents.
Thanks for providing an insightful alternative perspective on an issue I was quite convinced about.
Tourists frequently treat the laws as though they are suggestions instead of the law because they’ll be leaving and won’t deal with whatever they did.
They drove my mother off the road and the tourists walking nearby just watched and did nothing even though she needed medical help as she was on a bike. Luckily she was fine.
Others would argue with me, a kid, about where shit was.
“How do you get off the island”
“One way on and off, it’s the way you entered”
“No, there’s a way off here”
“There is not”
“Fuck you” they’d say, to a kid, before driving off and finding no no. Kid is right.
Whenever we traveled we were slammed into us to be polite, follow all local laws, be kind, and I just. It feels like a lot of the shoobies just were raised in a fucking barn.
I think this is the first time I’ve heard the word “shoobies” said that wasn’t on Rocket Power
A good sounding word. Fun to say. So I use it!
