Ffs there are so many real reasons to criticise the USSR but the allies (non USSR allies) fucking suuuuuucked in ww2. Completely happy to abandon Slavs and Jews to the Nazi war machine in order to shore up their own positions. Arrogant as all fuck about their position, and extremely willing to forgive Nazis and collaborators afterwards.
What the fuck was the USSR meant to actually do? Fight Germany alone selflessly?
Could they have been less self interested in some of the terms? Absolutely. Is there a single nation state that isn’t self interested? no. Maybe that’s why nation States are dogshit ways to organise.
The Polish government, trusting the British one, and choosing to believe that the soviet terms requiring permission to move armies through Poland were a prelude to invasion damned their own people to slaughter at the hands of the Nazis.
I’m sure the rich elites were trying to make the best decision for the citizenry, and not trying to save their own wealth. Government is typically so selfless afterall.
Yes. There is never any excuse for helping Nazis. There is no amount of bullshit you can spew to make that OK retrospectively. The Soviets didn’t just make an alliance with the nazis, they used that alliance as a chance to invade and snag vast amounts of land from other countries while Europe was too busy to stop them. This tankie propaganda that they had no other choice is utter bullshit, and it should be called out for the intellectual diarrhea that it is.
Stalin allied with the nazis to enrich the USSR. He, and every other tankie and useful idiot that support his actions, are nothing more than nazi apologist scum who ought to be lined up against the wall with the rest of the fascists. The deaths that the USSR faced when Hitler finally turned against them were well deserved, and I have no pity for filth wiping each other out, because nothing erases the stain of looking at race supremacists and thinking “yeah, I want some of that”.
extremely willing to forgive Nazis and collaborators afterwards
You say that, and yet, here you are, forgiving nazi collaborators.
Ok so the USSR approaches Britain and France saying “jeeze, this Hitler guy who keeps talking about genocide is a bit spooky. Wanna do something about it?” and France and Britain are non commital because they think they’ll be in a better position if they appease Hitler for a while longer.
Poland sinks it, because they’re more freaked out about the USSR than the Nazis who literally want to work them to death as farm animals which is… wild. So the USSR ends up signing a NAP with Nazi Germany, the same stance that everyone not explicitly allied to the Nazis has, agreeing to let them kill whomever they like if only they do it in “their” borders.
Using the time bought they rapidly, and one notes here pretty brutually, industrialise. Fight the everliving shit out of the Nazis once they have an industrial base and support in a war against them (the original fucking goal of the tripple alliance talks). USSR solidiers spill the majority of blood in Europe, theirs and Nazis. They’re not saints, it’s an army.
After the war, when countries like France are busy forgiving police collaborators and giving them their jobs back, the soviets are killing a lot of Nazis.
Stalin sucked in so many real ways, the USSR failed the utopian vision it was founded on in so many real ways. Calling Stalin a Nazi collaborator is just fucking wild. The Nazis were very explicit in their plans to genocide Slavs, that is what triggered the initial talks. Nobody in the USSR was under any illusions as to where they stood with the Nazis, the brutual policies of rapid industrialisation and militarisation were a result of being abandoned by the rest of Europe because the fucking aristocracy running the horror show preferred Nazis to communists.
your argument isn’t any different this time than before. idc if you think stalin was forced into it, he still worked with nazis and that fucking makes him a nazi collaborator. you don’t get to “but, but” about it. don’t give me that bullshit that he didn’t have a choice, lots of people were given the choice and chose death over working with nazis, including a french teenage girl. but go on about how poor widdle stalin couldn’t do what a teenager could.
you make me fucking sick. at least we know what fucking choice YOU’LL make when trump comes knocking on your door to inform on your neighbors.
Stalin Derangement Syndrome is important today to motivate hatred against Russia. Everyone loves Ukrainian nazis motivating/bussifying their citizens to the front lines, and everyone hates being called a tankie. So every lie/absurdity diminishing Stalin is useful in geopolitical demonism and diminishment against Russia. It helps the idiocracy stay moronic.
Oh damn it’s almost like the allies refused to sign a deal with the USSR https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/026569149602600303
Ffs there are so many real reasons to criticise the USSR but the allies (non USSR allies) fucking suuuuuucked in ww2. Completely happy to abandon Slavs and Jews to the Nazi war machine in order to shore up their own positions. Arrogant as all fuck about their position, and extremely willing to forgive Nazis and collaborators afterwards.
What the fuck was the USSR meant to actually do? Fight Germany alone selflessly?
Not add “we get to invade Eastern Europe if we feel like it” as a clause in negotiations with the allies.
Very unserious.
Could they have been less self interested in some of the terms? Absolutely. Is there a single nation state that isn’t self interested? no. Maybe that’s why nation States are dogshit ways to organise.
The Polish government, trusting the British one, and choosing to believe that the soviet terms requiring permission to move armies through Poland were a prelude to invasion damned their own people to slaughter at the hands of the Nazis.
I’m sure the rich elites were trying to make the best decision for the citizenry, and not trying to save their own wealth. Government is typically so selfless afterall.
Yes. There is never any excuse for helping Nazis. There is no amount of bullshit you can spew to make that OK retrospectively. The Soviets didn’t just make an alliance with the nazis, they used that alliance as a chance to invade and snag vast amounts of land from other countries while Europe was too busy to stop them. This tankie propaganda that they had no other choice is utter bullshit, and it should be called out for the intellectual diarrhea that it is.
Stalin allied with the nazis to enrich the USSR. He, and every other tankie and useful idiot that support his actions, are nothing more than nazi apologist scum who ought to be lined up against the wall with the rest of the fascists. The deaths that the USSR faced when Hitler finally turned against them were well deserved, and I have no pity for filth wiping each other out, because nothing erases the stain of looking at race supremacists and thinking “yeah, I want some of that”.
You say that, and yet, here you are, forgiving nazi collaborators.
Ok so the USSR approaches Britain and France saying “jeeze, this Hitler guy who keeps talking about genocide is a bit spooky. Wanna do something about it?” and France and Britain are non commital because they think they’ll be in a better position if they appease Hitler for a while longer.
Poland sinks it, because they’re more freaked out about the USSR than the Nazis who literally want to work them to death as farm animals which is… wild. So the USSR ends up signing a NAP with Nazi Germany, the same stance that everyone not explicitly allied to the Nazis has, agreeing to let them kill whomever they like if only they do it in “their” borders.
Using the time bought they rapidly, and one notes here pretty brutually, industrialise. Fight the everliving shit out of the Nazis once they have an industrial base and support in a war against them (the original fucking goal of the tripple alliance talks). USSR solidiers spill the majority of blood in Europe, theirs and Nazis. They’re not saints, it’s an army.
After the war, when countries like France are busy forgiving police collaborators and giving them their jobs back, the soviets are killing a lot of Nazis.
Stalin sucked in so many real ways, the USSR failed the utopian vision it was founded on in so many real ways. Calling Stalin a Nazi collaborator is just fucking wild. The Nazis were very explicit in their plans to genocide Slavs, that is what triggered the initial talks. Nobody in the USSR was under any illusions as to where they stood with the Nazis, the brutual policies of rapid industrialisation and militarisation were a result of being abandoned by the rest of Europe because the fucking aristocracy running the horror show preferred Nazis to communists.
your argument isn’t any different this time than before. idc if you think stalin was forced into it, he still worked with nazis and that fucking makes him a nazi collaborator. you don’t get to “but, but” about it. don’t give me that bullshit that he didn’t have a choice, lots of people were given the choice and chose death over working with nazis, including a french teenage girl. but go on about how poor widdle stalin couldn’t do what a teenager could.
you make me fucking sick. at least we know what fucking choice YOU’LL make when trump comes knocking on your door to inform on your neighbors.
God damned I wish I had more room in my lemmy bio cause that is hysterical for so many reasons.
You don’t need to jump between binary assessments of people like a demented lib.
Stalin Derangement Syndrome is important today to motivate hatred against Russia. Everyone loves Ukrainian nazis motivating/bussifying their citizens to the front lines, and everyone hates being called a tankie. So every lie/absurdity diminishing Stalin is useful in geopolitical demonism and diminishment against Russia. It helps the idiocracy stay moronic.
at first I thought you were just another tankie, but looking at your profile, you’re too fucking stupid to be a tankie.
You heard it here first, @[email protected] hates the allies of WW2.
I mean, plenty of reasons to hate the allies. Including, you know, colonialism.