Nope. actual unschooling is good. Some don’t do it correctly and those are the ones usually heard of. There are studies later than the one you provided showing it works, will provide links in a bit.
Edit: However, the paper and the citations from the link you provided says there is a dearth of uschooled and unschooling people willing to participate in such studies.
Depends if they need it or not. The idea that all kids need it and must be forced to learn it is the broken idea here, not the unschooling or the lack of them wanting to learn it.
Current schooling in a lot of the world has a very outdated and broken model in that it assumes all children must know the same things regardless of interest or need, just to pass a test or to submit to capitalism, that’s its only real purpose.
We’re suggesting that there’s better ways to teach people things and that no, not everybody needs to know everything, though if they do learning is a life-long process but the institution of schooling likes to pretend it is the only valid authority on the matter and only way to learn, it isn’t in either case.
To be clear, we are not making the case for ‘religious’ homeschooling and parents etc wholy unprepared for teaching kids. There is a lot of abuse and uncaring in all forms of schooling and we are aren’t at all for that.
We just don’t agree with most of the current models. If the institution of schooling had much of a dedication to learning as correctly done unschooling and yes, probably homeschooling too i.e. it was not just about passing tests or to get a job, then we would be all for it.
We want people to learn how to learn, to have a joy for learning and fewer abusive teachers who’s ego cannot take being told they are wrong, who do not know how to deal with children in non abusive and punishing ways and thus are not contributing to a good education. Yes, this can and does happen in unschooling and homeschooling too, but also happens a lot in educational institutions as well.
All in all, all current educational methods in many situations are doing children a disservice because they are not doing it in such a way that promotes learning together and for its own sake, they are mostly doing it just for tests or to set them for jobs (though even that is becoming a distant dream in a lot if fields).
We hate this and it could and should be done a lot better, we hold hope for things like unschooling to show the way, if done properly, because in a lot of the world educational institutions are definitely getting it wrong.
I’d agree with you if I didn’t believe there were any subjects every kid should be taught. However, I don’t think being taught history or science should be optional. I don’t care how disinterested a kid is in our past or our understanding of reality. I 100% believe they should be obligated to learn about them.
Yeah, okay we may or may not disagree with you on that there may be some subjects it’s better to learn.
However, there’s more to our argument than just “kid should want to learn a subject.” It’s that teaching is inherently broken and that there are better ways than forcing if your goal is to help a child to learn something.
We are 100% against forcing children to learn or do anything, we practise care, understanding and yes, consent models in our interactions with children and it works better than the garbage abuse we see most of the time from others who don’t really care about the children and what trauma they are giving them.
There are ways to do this without force and they should be adopted and learning should be about learning, not for tests or a job.
Nope. actual unschooling is good. Some don’t do it correctly and those are the ones usually heard of. There are studies later than the one you provided showing it works, will provide links in a bit.
Edit: However, the paper and the citations from the link you provided says there is a dearth of uschooled and unschooling people willing to participate in such studies.
Do you really think that a kid would want to learn algebra entirely motivated by their own joy of learning?
Depends if they need it or not. The idea that all kids need it and must be forced to learn it is the broken idea here, not the unschooling or the lack of them wanting to learn it.
Current schooling in a lot of the world has a very outdated and broken model in that it assumes all children must know the same things regardless of interest or need, just to pass a test or to submit to capitalism, that’s its only real purpose.
We’re suggesting that there’s better ways to teach people things and that no, not everybody needs to know everything, though if they do learning is a life-long process but the institution of schooling likes to pretend it is the only valid authority on the matter and only way to learn, it isn’t in either case.
To be clear, we are not making the case for ‘religious’ homeschooling and parents etc wholy unprepared for teaching kids. There is a lot of abuse and uncaring in all forms of schooling and we are aren’t at all for that.
We just don’t agree with most of the current models. If the institution of schooling had much of a dedication to learning as correctly done unschooling and yes, probably homeschooling too i.e. it was not just about passing tests or to get a job, then we would be all for it.
We want people to learn how to learn, to have a joy for learning and fewer abusive teachers who’s ego cannot take being told they are wrong, who do not know how to deal with children in non abusive and punishing ways and thus are not contributing to a good education. Yes, this can and does happen in unschooling and homeschooling too, but also happens a lot in educational institutions as well.
All in all, all current educational methods in many situations are doing children a disservice because they are not doing it in such a way that promotes learning together and for its own sake, they are mostly doing it just for tests or to set them for jobs (though even that is becoming a distant dream in a lot if fields).
We hate this and it could and should be done a lot better, we hold hope for things like unschooling to show the way, if done properly, because in a lot of the world educational institutions are definitely getting it wrong.
I’d agree with you if I didn’t believe there were any subjects every kid should be taught. However, I don’t think being taught history or science should be optional. I don’t care how disinterested a kid is in our past or our understanding of reality. I 100% believe they should be obligated to learn about them.
Yeah, okay we may or may not disagree with you on that there may be some subjects it’s better to learn.
However, there’s more to our argument than just “kid should want to learn a subject.” It’s that teaching is inherently broken and that there are better ways than forcing if your goal is to help a child to learn something.
We are 100% against forcing children to learn or do anything, we practise care, understanding and yes, consent models in our interactions with children and it works better than the garbage abuse we see most of the time from others who don’t really care about the children and what trauma they are giving them.
There are ways to do this without force and they should be adopted and learning should be about learning, not for tests or a job.