If they’re the type of person to lament the ending of their bloodline like this? 1,000% they’d throw the same kind of tantrum at anything that meant you weren’t gonna “continue the family name” for them. Perhaps less intense because vasectomies can be reversed but the gut feeling from most people I’ve talked to is that HRT permanently sterilizes you.
Side note, I never understood that whole paternalistic model of family structure. Like, I understand that it arose because patriarchal society and such, but you’d think that the female children would be the ones “continuing the bloodline” if anything right? The baby is literally growing inside of them connected to her blood supply. Mitochondrial DNA is passed from the mother’s side. Like you’d think someone concerned with continuing their bloodline would want a girl right? But no.
I’m sorry, yeah I’m aware that it doesn’t necessarily make you permanently infertile. I was saying that for most normies that don’t know any better their gut feeling is that it does.
Oh yeah I know matrilineal cultures exist. It just amuses me how internally inconsistent their ideology is. You can tell they just kind of worked backwards from “Men are the top of the hierarchy,” and has built their mythos around it.
I mean don’t most people get sperm (or eggs? does testosterone make ftm people infertile too?) cryogenically preserved before doing either of those anyway just in case? I know that’s what I want to do on the off chance I someday decide I want a child and don’t want to adopt for some reason. So in that case literally the only difference to the wannabe grandparent is “oh no what if my grandchild isn’t conceived by my child having sex” which is just creepy.
I know if I ever were to actually go on HRT that I wouldn’t be able to afford it. It’s a moot point for my partner and I though because we’ve had all the kids we’re going to. The pregnancy that gave us our twins was… Let’s call it rough and neither of us was willing to go through that again.
So in that case literally the only difference to the wannabe grandparent is “oh no what if my grandchild isn’t conceived by my child having sex” which is just creepy.
This is literally part of why I cut off all contact with my father. My partner had a kid already when we got together. My father never really treated him like “real family” which pissed me off and I told him many times in no uncertain terms that as far as I was concerned this kid is my son and I will not tolerate any different treatment. Fast forward a couple years to the birth of my twins and I overhear this shit stain on the phone with my Mom who had come up to help me watch my oldest so I could actually visit the twins in the NICU say “How does it feel to finally be a grandma?”
Now to my Mom’s credit, she was having none of that shit. My partner and I had been together for over 4 years, married for almost 2 at this point. So she straight up tells him that she’s been a grandmother for years now. To which he responds “You know what I mean. You’ve finally got a grandkid of your own.” The fucker doubled down!
So I text him absolutely furious. I cry a lot when I’m angry so texting was the only way I was making it through what I needed to say. Plus receipts, he couldn’t claim to not remember me telling him like he’s done before. Anyway this motherfucker has the audacity to demand I call him so he knows that my partner wasn’t the one saying these things for me. I haven’t spoken to him in 5 years now.
I doubt it’s most people. AFAIK cryogenic preservation is kind of expensive, especially for people who are still in school or college. And AFAIK trans people are on average even poorer than the general population.
None of the people on HRT I know have done that (that I know of at least). It was a pretty easy no from me since I thought about the idea of having children since I was 13 and my answer was always “meh, plus I would probably be bad at parenting”. And if I change my mind (unlikely) I can just adopt, I don’t care about this mythical “bloodline” thing.
If they’re the type of person to lament the ending of their bloodline like this? 1,000% they’d throw the same kind of tantrum at anything that meant you weren’t gonna “continue the family name” for them. Perhaps less intense because vasectomies can be reversed but the gut feeling from most people I’ve talked to is that HRT permanently sterilizes you.
Side note, I never understood that whole paternalistic model of family structure. Like, I understand that it arose because patriarchal society and such, but you’d think that the female children would be the ones “continuing the bloodline” if anything right? The baby is literally growing inside of them connected to her blood supply. Mitochondrial DNA is passed from the mother’s side. Like you’d think someone concerned with continuing their bloodline would want a girl right? But no.
HRT doesn’t necessarily make you permanently infertile, but it can. A lot of people still have fertility if they ever take a break for a few months.
I’m sorry, yeah I’m aware that it doesn’t necessarily make you permanently infertile. I was saying that for most normies that don’t know any better their gut feeling is that it does.
Matrilineal cultures exist; and the thing about continuing the bloodline are all excuses. Patriarchy is about power, and always has been.
Oh yeah I know matrilineal cultures exist. It just amuses me how internally inconsistent their ideology is. You can tell they just kind of worked backwards from “Men are the top of the hierarchy,” and has built their mythos around it.
I mean don’t most people get sperm (or eggs? does testosterone make ftm people infertile too?) cryogenically preserved before doing either of those anyway just in case? I know that’s what I want to do on the off chance I someday decide I want a child and don’t want to adopt for some reason. So in that case literally the only difference to the wannabe grandparent is “oh no what if my grandchild isn’t conceived by my child having sex” which is just creepy.
I definitely didn’t. If I ever have a kid (unlikely) they’re going to be adopted, I don’t have a need to spread my genes.
I know if I ever were to actually go on HRT that I wouldn’t be able to afford it. It’s a moot point for my partner and I though because we’ve had all the kids we’re going to. The pregnancy that gave us our twins was… Let’s call it rough and neither of us was willing to go through that again.
This is literally part of why I cut off all contact with my father. My partner had a kid already when we got together. My father never really treated him like “real family” which pissed me off and I told him many times in no uncertain terms that as far as I was concerned this kid is my son and I will not tolerate any different treatment. Fast forward a couple years to the birth of my twins and I overhear this shit stain on the phone with my Mom who had come up to help me watch my oldest so I could actually visit the twins in the NICU say “How does it feel to finally be a grandma?”
Now to my Mom’s credit, she was having none of that shit. My partner and I had been together for over 4 years, married for almost 2 at this point. So she straight up tells him that she’s been a grandmother for years now. To which he responds “You know what I mean. You’ve finally got a grandkid of your own.” The fucker doubled down!
So I text him absolutely furious. I cry a lot when I’m angry so texting was the only way I was making it through what I needed to say. Plus receipts, he couldn’t claim to not remember me telling him like he’s done before. Anyway this motherfucker has the audacity to demand I call him so he knows that my partner wasn’t the one saying these things for me. I haven’t spoken to him in 5 years now.
I doubt it’s most people. AFAIK cryogenic preservation is kind of expensive, especially for people who are still in school or college. And AFAIK trans people are on average even poorer than the general population.
None of the people on HRT I know have done that (that I know of at least). It was a pretty easy no from me since I thought about the idea of having children since I was 13 and my answer was always “meh, plus I would probably be bad at parenting”. And if I change my mind (unlikely) I can just adopt, I don’t care about this mythical “bloodline” thing.
I mean, i don’t intend to, but that’s because my families genetics are shit and would result in a miserable human life.
Fair warning, its expensive and awkward. Go for it I’m glad I did, but yeah it’s weird