When he was arrested, Rowe said, the officer pulled the trowel out of its sheath, and said: “That’s not a garden tool.”
“I said it is, because it was in the Niwaki-branded pouch that you get at garden centres,” Rowe said.
Rowe said police had questioned him on whether he was “planning on doing something” with the tools, and he said he was also asked to explain what an allotment was.
“I had to explain in very basic terms what an allotment is to this guy,” he said. “So it didn’t fill me with a lot of confidence that I was going to be let off.”
Manchester’s brightest at work. Experts enough to know what is and isn’t a garden tool but don’t know what an allotment is 🙄 ACAB
Rowe said he was interviewed without legal representation as officers had been unable to reach a solicitor, and after spending several hours in custody he said he accepted a caution so he would be released.
He was stopped at 12:20pm, it’s not like everyone had gone home for the day. What’s he supposed to do at that point? He’s already been waiting “several hours”, it’s not like there’s gonna be more solicitors working after five o’clock. It sucks, but being able to go home and fight it afterwards seems like the best option. Especially with national news coverage on your side
Possibly. It seems like a situation where an autistic man was banged up in an unpleasant cell and they broke him.
I do not know if overturning a caution is as easy as avoiding it. Heard people getting similar police records and being unable to overturn them at all because they weren’t convictions.
ACAB is legitimate here. It’s not a Trumpism. Day to day community policing, yes, you can have good interactions with them. But they also have no qualms smashing a peaceful protestor over the head with a baton if they’re allowed as well. There’s been enough stories of corruption and abuse within multiple UK police forces, throughout its history and in modern times, to say ACAB.
Unfortunately your anecdotal evidence doesn’t change history. My experience has been very mixed bag. Some have been despicable bastards and some, as you said, have gone above and beyond. But their history, and government inquiries confirming institutional racism etc cements them still in the bastard category.
I do believe they’re improving, the force isn’t just 6ft+ white, straight, cis, British men any more. It’s diverse enough that homophobia, racism, etc are challenged and not tolerated like they once were, but it still happens. They’re still not good enough to throw off the badge of ACAB.
Some Individual Cops May Actually Be Reasonable And Honest But The Institution Of The Police Is So Corrupted By Vested Interests That There’s No Way To Distinguish Between Those Individuals And The Ones Who Would Actively Cause You Harm Plus They’re Almost All Racist And Mysoginist Anyway So The Distinction Is Largely Academic
Most aren’t. Every single police officer I have interacted with has been reasonable. I only hear about these issues when they make the news.
Don’t get me wrong, it needs improving, there shouldn’t be any racism or misogyny in there, but I think just dismissing them as bastards when these are the people who’d put their lives on the line for us if we were threatened is unfair.
It’s about criticisms of policing as an institution, not individuals
No, ACAB literally means “all cops are bastards”. It removes room for ambiguity. It’s not like someone saying “fuck the police”. And then they can say “I mean the institution”.
It’s a slogan used as a protest statement, particularly within anti-establishment and anti-police movements. The acronym has a long history, particularly within subcultures like punk, skinheads, and football hooligans. It’s also associated with anarchist and anti-authoritarian ideologies.
Manchester’s brightest at work. Experts enough to know what is and isn’t a garden tool but don’t know what an allotment is 🙄 ACAB
I’m pretty sure they’re quizzing him about allotment, something a gardener should know. Get him to talk so they can catch him on something.
He should have waited for a solicitor.
He was stopped at 12:20pm, it’s not like everyone had gone home for the day. What’s he supposed to do at that point? He’s already been waiting “several hours”, it’s not like there’s gonna be more solicitors working after five o’clock. It sucks, but being able to go home and fight it afterwards seems like the best option. Especially with national news coverage on your side
Possibly. It seems like a situation where an autistic man was banged up in an unpleasant cell and they broke him.
I do not know if overturning a caution is as easy as avoiding it. Heard people getting similar police records and being unable to overturn them at all because they weren’t convictions.
No, I don’t really know either. I’m not really sure why I shared my opinion to be honest!
Don’t talk to the police.
These cops are bastards. Some cops are nice and genuine. This isn’t America. Stop trying to import american trump degeneracy into our fair kingdom
ACAB is legitimate here. It’s not a Trumpism. Day to day community policing, yes, you can have good interactions with them. But they also have no qualms smashing a peaceful protestor over the head with a baton if they’re allowed as well. There’s been enough stories of corruption and abuse within multiple UK police forces, throughout its history and in modern times, to say ACAB.
Also, is it fuck a fair kingdom.
Loud minority. Everytime I have been involved with the police they went above and beyond.
Privilege
Unfortunately your anecdotal evidence doesn’t change history. My experience has been very mixed bag. Some have been despicable bastards and some, as you said, have gone above and beyond. But their history, and government inquiries confirming institutional racism etc cements them still in the bastard category.
I do believe they’re improving, the force isn’t just 6ft+ white, straight, cis, British men any more. It’s diverse enough that homophobia, racism, etc are challenged and not tolerated like they once were, but it still happens. They’re still not good enough to throw off the badge of ACAB.
SCAB,SAAD
Some cops are bastard, some are actually decent
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Some Individual Cops May Actually Be Reasonable And Honest But The Institution Of The Police Is So Corrupted By Vested Interests That There’s No Way To Distinguish Between Those Individuals And The Ones Who Would Actively Cause You Harm Plus They’re Almost All Racist And Mysoginist Anyway So The Distinction Is Largely Academic
Most aren’t. Every single police officer I have interacted with has been reasonable. I only hear about these issues when they make the news.
Don’t get me wrong, it needs improving, there shouldn’t be any racism or misogyny in there, but I think just dismissing them as bastards when these are the people who’d put their lives on the line for us if we were threatened is unfair.
You missed the point I was making that the systemic problems with the police mean that collectively they are all bastards.
A middle class white lady in the US would probably concur regarding her own police experiences
ACAB applies even for the nice and genuine cops.
It’s about criticisms of policing as an institution, not individuals
No, ACAB literally means “all cops are bastards”. It removes room for ambiguity. It’s not like someone saying “fuck the police”. And then they can say “I mean the institution”.
This is true pretty much everywhere, even America.
Then why do Americans constantly say “all cops are bastards?”
It also originated in England.
America is not nearly based enough for Americans to “constantly say” that, unfortunately.
acab was true way before mango mussolini was even born