All the things you listed are tools … ai is an automaton. A human gives it an instruction and it performs a process fully independent of human action.
Computers are tools in exactly the same way. A person isn’t moving data from one memory location to another. That’s automated by the processor.
You could say the same about a table saw: a human isn’t separating sequences of molecules with their hands, it’s automated by a machine.
AI is not different from the above tools.
My argument isn’t “bad faith” just because you disagree with it; your lack of understanding is not sufficient to disprove the assertion. Come prepared, or don’t come.
So you’re telling me that you have a table saw that can stand up, walk to the wood pile, grab a plank, measure to size, line it up, and push it over the blade if you say “I need a two foot 2x4”? Because that is the level of automaton that we’re talking about with ai. The human makes a request, the bot does all the work.
But nevermind, I just looked into your comment history and you obviously don’t have the mental faculties for an intelligent conversation on this subject. Have a nice life, I’m out.
Idk if this will come out with the right meaning in english, but imo when somebody is using something like a LLM they are more like a manager in a factory/office than a film/music director.
I think it definitely depends on the level of involvement and the intent. Sure not everybody who just asks for something to be made for them is doing much directing. But someone who does a lot of refinement and curation of AI generated output needs to demonstrate the same kind of creativity and vision as an actual director.
I guess I’d say telling an artist to do something doesn’t make you a director. But a director telling an AI to do the same kinds of things they’d tell an artist doesn’t suddenly make them not a director.
i’m in this thread coming off as very anti-AI art but i think it absolutely can have a place in the creative process. even as part of the finished work.
but if it’s the whole process then there’s no creation at all. just recycling slop.
Project managers aren’t real artists because they have artists under them.
And that’s what a LLM user is, at best, a manager. They are also thiefs (not that I think theft is always bad, just when your stealing from working class people) and scabs.
digital artists aren’t real artists because they’re using a computer to create art
woodworkers aren’t real artists because they’re using a table saw and glue to create art
poets aren’t real artists because they’re using a dictionary and thesaurus to create art
chefs aren’t real artists because they’re using an immersion blender and gas range to create art
Your obviously bad faith argument excludes the distinction between tool and automaton.
All the things you listed are tools. They are objects that assist humans with performing a process.
“Generative” ai is an automaton. A human gives it an instruction and it performs a process fully independent of human action.
Hiring someone to draw a picture and then signing your name on it doesn’t make you an artist, and that’s exactly what every ai “”“artist”“” is doing.
Computers are tools in exactly the same way. A person isn’t moving data from one memory location to another. That’s automated by the processor.
You could say the same about a table saw: a human isn’t separating sequences of molecules with their hands, it’s automated by a machine.
AI is not different from the above tools.
My argument isn’t “bad faith” just because you disagree with it; your lack of understanding is not sufficient to disprove the assertion. Come prepared, or don’t come.
So you’re telling me that you have a table saw that can stand up, walk to the wood pile, grab a plank, measure to size, line it up, and push it over the blade if you say “I need a two foot 2x4”? Because that is the level of automaton that we’re talking about with ai. The human makes a request, the bot does all the work.
But nevermind, I just looked into your comment history and you obviously don’t have the mental faculties for an intelligent conversation on this subject. Have a nice life, I’m out.
art is a process, not a product.
Creating a piece of art using AI is a process.
One that isn’t artistic.
I’m fairly certain most people consider directing (film, music, art, etc) to be an artistic process.
Idk if this will come out with the right meaning in english, but imo when somebody is using something like a LLM they are more like a manager in a factory/office than a film/music director.
I think it definitely depends on the level of involvement and the intent. Sure not everybody who just asks for something to be made for them is doing much directing. But someone who does a lot of refinement and curation of AI generated output needs to demonstrate the same kind of creativity and vision as an actual director.
I guess I’d say telling an artist to do something doesn’t make you a director. But a director telling an AI to do the same kinds of things they’d tell an artist doesn’t suddenly make them not a director.
i’m in this thread coming off as very anti-AI art but i think it absolutely can have a place in the creative process. even as part of the finished work.
but if it’s the whole process then there’s no creation at all. just recycling slop.
one that you have very little to do with.
Project managers aren’t real artists because they have artists under them.
And that’s what a LLM user is, at best, a manager. They are also thiefs (not that I think theft is always bad, just when your stealing from working class people) and scabs.