The city of Montreal confirmed it plans to shut down a concert by a U.S.-based Christian musician who has been described as a “MAGA superstar,” saying the venue does not hold proper permits.
While it wouldn’t be as notable if it was an LGBTQ thing it’d be just as stupid. Do you know why permits are often required for concerts nowadays? The reason is rather simple, indoor concert venues kept burning to the fucking ground and people kept dying. Usually the way it went is that a building rated for like 200 people would go over capacity to 300 or 400 then the fire started no one could get out and then folks died because building ratings often times reflect physical limitations in certain things like how fast a certain number of people can get out of the building.
Outdoor venues have permit requirements because of dehydration and literal shit shows as latrine ditches overflowed. Outdoor venues tend to be less deadly more raw sewage.
But here we’re talking about some concert in a church. How many people attend churches? Should the church need to apply for a permit everytime a lot of people attend? I go to the mosque on Friday and the place is so full that some people have to even be outside. And every Friday there is someone who makes a speech in front of everyone. So why should you need a permit when this guy show up at the church now? There are also churches that play music all the time and have many guests coming.
I can’t remember the terms exactly in relation to a population for events but a lot of it comes down to what I’ll call steady flow population IE those who go for weakly service or whatever vs flux population that being those who go for events or whatever. Just using a portion of my previous example if a building is rated for say 200 people and 300 people show up it’s a shit show waiting to happen, that’s not getting into the possibility of road blockage and outflow issues that could persist for an extended period of time and interfere with things like ambulances.
Also pretty sure there are effectively standing permits that can be obtained for concerts and shit. Frankly speaking this type of shit varries city by city county by county, so some places will have far more stringent laws and bylaws for such things while others won’t give an iota of a fuck so long as they call ahead of time so a cop can be present in case of a shit show.
Though I will state that I am thoughly biased against using churches in particular for such events because a lot of them are built in just the dumbest way possible. I got a good sample size when I was a kid in boy scouts where I got lost in the backrooms of a church on several occasions looking for the restroom. Also a lot of them are just in really weird areas with a questionable amount of parking I remember there was one where we were doing a charity dinner and the sheriff showed up because there were too many people and they were blocking the road.
I mean I do agree some churches are questionable and can hardly be called a church. My area mostly have Catholic churches and Catholic churches are all in communion with Rome, so they can’t just do anything they want. Maybe it’s different with other Churches or independent ones.
Yeah the Catholics seem to have their shit together enough that they can generally pull off events and whatnot without too many issues. But a lot of churches especially older ones that predate things like standardized building codes probably need to be kept on a short leash on how many people are present in them, and assuming the building shown in the article is the church in question. Yeah I can see why the city may be iffy on having too many people at it, combine that with protesters outside and the general mess that comes with concerts I can see why they would deny a permit.
Yeah I was only speaking for the Catholics, I don’t know much about other churches. But yeah independent church I guess would be more free to do anything they feel like doing compared to the Catholic or Orthodox church. Same goes for mosques even though they don’t really have a central authority like Catholic church they also follow some strict rules.
While it wouldn’t be as notable if it was an LGBTQ thing it’d be just as stupid. Do you know why permits are often required for concerts nowadays? The reason is rather simple, indoor concert venues kept burning to the fucking ground and people kept dying. Usually the way it went is that a building rated for like 200 people would go over capacity to 300 or 400 then the fire started no one could get out and then folks died because building ratings often times reflect physical limitations in certain things like how fast a certain number of people can get out of the building.
Outdoor venues have permit requirements because of dehydration and literal shit shows as latrine ditches overflowed. Outdoor venues tend to be less deadly more raw sewage.
But here we’re talking about some concert in a church. How many people attend churches? Should the church need to apply for a permit everytime a lot of people attend? I go to the mosque on Friday and the place is so full that some people have to even be outside. And every Friday there is someone who makes a speech in front of everyone. So why should you need a permit when this guy show up at the church now? There are also churches that play music all the time and have many guests coming.
I can’t remember the terms exactly in relation to a population for events but a lot of it comes down to what I’ll call steady flow population IE those who go for weakly service or whatever vs flux population that being those who go for events or whatever. Just using a portion of my previous example if a building is rated for say 200 people and 300 people show up it’s a shit show waiting to happen, that’s not getting into the possibility of road blockage and outflow issues that could persist for an extended period of time and interfere with things like ambulances.
Also pretty sure there are effectively standing permits that can be obtained for concerts and shit. Frankly speaking this type of shit varries city by city county by county, so some places will have far more stringent laws and bylaws for such things while others won’t give an iota of a fuck so long as they call ahead of time so a cop can be present in case of a shit show.
Though I will state that I am thoughly biased against using churches in particular for such events because a lot of them are built in just the dumbest way possible. I got a good sample size when I was a kid in boy scouts where I got lost in the backrooms of a church on several occasions looking for the restroom. Also a lot of them are just in really weird areas with a questionable amount of parking I remember there was one where we were doing a charity dinner and the sheriff showed up because there were too many people and they were blocking the road.
I mean I do agree some churches are questionable and can hardly be called a church. My area mostly have Catholic churches and Catholic churches are all in communion with Rome, so they can’t just do anything they want. Maybe it’s different with other Churches or independent ones.
Yeah the Catholics seem to have their shit together enough that they can generally pull off events and whatnot without too many issues. But a lot of churches especially older ones that predate things like standardized building codes probably need to be kept on a short leash on how many people are present in them, and assuming the building shown in the article is the church in question. Yeah I can see why the city may be iffy on having too many people at it, combine that with protesters outside and the general mess that comes with concerts I can see why they would deny a permit.
Yeah I was only speaking for the Catholics, I don’t know much about other churches. But yeah independent church I guess would be more free to do anything they feel like doing compared to the Catholic or Orthodox church. Same goes for mosques even though they don’t really have a central authority like Catholic church they also follow some strict rules.