• Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    To show that the vast majority of child sex crime in the UK is committed by white, birthright citizens of the UK?

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      If you’re right, then this would mean that the people who don’t like immigrants would struggle more with getting people to their side, and thus be less likely to destroy the country.
      If you’re wrong, then it would mean that immigrants would be less likely to destroy the country.

      Either way, it will be more statistics that news sites and drama people will be able to spin to generate clicks.

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        The only problem with this idea is that it is designed to record sex crimes against children by non-wealthy, non-politically and -religiously connected, non-powerful, and non-white child sex predators. The wealthy child sex predators, the politically connected child sex predators, the religiously connected child sex predators, and the powerful child sex predators who are predominantly white and birthright citizens will continue to cover for each other or be moved from parish to parish to continue their child sex crimes as her have done for hundreds of years.

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          I would have thought it would be designed against that.
          Though the ultra wealthy and powerful would probably find a way around almost anything…

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            I said that in a comment. It won’t catch the bulk of the abuse because it is perpetrated by wealthy, powerful, connected white people.

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      Honesty is the best policy, after all. Hopefully this list would not be extended later to include personal identification, and stick to purely statistic-based summaries of offenders. The only problem I see is the potential danger of overreach, as some of those marked as sex offenders are innocent and don’t deserve to be hunted and killed by vigilantes that this may lead to. If the primary demographics are not white, this could lead to even more extreme violence and hatred against innocents. As much as I approve of vigilante justice, a trustworthy form of evidence collection and subsequent conviction or absolution is necessary. Individual opinion and misguided ideals bypass true justice.

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        It won’t collect the statistics of the white, wealthy, and powerful who have always gotten away with their crimes because other white, wealthy, powerful people look the other way.

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    Is this not available through the FOI?

    Although I would be curious. It’ll show if the whole “immigrants are…” stereotype thing is true or not. Most child abusers I know of are white.

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      Not really, it’s going to be under-reporting certain demographics.

      In orthodox Jewish communities they have their own “cops” (Shomrim) and it’s against their religious law to turn a Jewish criminal (especially of their own sect) in to any authorities who aren’t explicitly Jewish.

      In Brooklyn, Shomrim has been accused of withholding information about suspected local child molesters.[14] One Brooklyn South Shomrim member acknowledged to the press that they maintain a file of suspected local child molesters, and some believe that this file includes the suspects’ photos and the make, model and license-plate number of their cars. But Shomrim does not share this information with police due to the Torah prohibition against mesirah (informing on a fellow Jew to the non-Jewish authorities).[12] However, another high-ranking member claims that the other member was misquoted, and that the list that Brooklyn South Shomrim maintains is culled from the New York Sex Offender Registry.[46] Members of the Williamsburg Shomrim always consult a rabbi before involving police in a crime committed by one Jew against another.[13]

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_(neighborhood_watch_group)

      Like, even if a normal cop happens to be Jewish, that’s not enough because the local police aren’t a Jewish organization.

      Obviously other religions like Catholicism protects clergy, but it’s not a tenant of their religion that they can’t turn in any follower to secular authorities who are legally allowed to enforce laws.

      In a lot of Orthodox communities, they don’t call 911, they call the Shomrim. If the victim is Jewish but not the perpetrator, then the Shomrim calls the police.

      If the perpetrator is Jewish…

      The crime isn’t punished or reported any higher unless a Rabbi decides to. So all types of horrible shit is swept under the rug.

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        Don’t the Jehovah’s Witnesses have a similar file? I believe there was also an issue in Roman Catholicism of the seal of confession (Apparently priests would confess their child abuse before anyone found out about it, and people would be too scared to be seen as breaking that seal later on when evidence did surface.)

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          I believe there was also an issue in Roman Catholicism of the seal of confession

          https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/washington-state-child-abuse-catholic-priests-b2791985.html

          The new law adds religious leaders and priests to a list of professions that can be criminally charged if they do not report suspected abuse or neglect, alongside teachers, doctors, nurses, childcare providers, and many others.

          Previously, priests were only required to report if the suspected perpetrator was someone they had authority over, and were exempted from doing so if they learned about it through a “privileged communication” such as confession.

          trump friendly federal judges are blocking that new law (in the state of Washington)

          However a significant difference there is that was only for someone confessing with the expectation they weren’t confessing to a person, but to God. Hence wouldn’t confess to the crime if they knew they’d be turned in.

          Mesrih applies when anyone (including the victim) is the one disclosing it, especially if it’s ongoing.

          No idea about Jehovah’s Witnesses, but in general the more insular a religious sect is, the worse the problem is.

          And no religion is more insular then one that requires it’s followers to call their own version of police where a religious leader gets to decide if actual secular authorities are involved. So not the only problematic demographic, but this is “stop snitching” to a whole nother level.

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      Most child abusers I know of are white.

      I think you have blinkers on. There’s a lot of baggage around this in lots of cultures.

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      The database is for official use only. There is a disclosure scheme where a member of the public can ask the police whether a specific person (who is in unsupervised contact with children) is a registered sex offender or poses other threat to a child.

      There do seem to be crowdsourced vigilante databases culled from media reports, which is probably a very bad idea.