Didn’t read the linked article when i first saw this post, some more interesting (though not surprising) results from the poll:
Trump recorded the worst score among a range of political, cultural and spiritual leaders that includes X owner Elon Musk, Microsoft founder Bill Gates, the late Pope Francis, Taylor Swift and Kim Kardashian.
Israel emerged as the country with the worst global reputation of those included in the poll, especially in the Middle East and South Asia. Israel is unpopular even in European countries that have historically been its allies, such as Germany, signaling growing discomfort with its government’s conduct in Gaza and the West Bank.
I have serious doubts Brasil likes the US more, especially now.
But I’m not surprised since the source for this index is completely made up of people from the western imperialist core.
And ex-NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen in the board of directors.More like “which country do you dislike slightly less”. None of them are in the positives, it is just a choice between two evils.
The caption below the graph in the image states that is how you should interpret the results in some places:
The map compares the popularity of the U.S. and China in each country based on their net perception score (measured as the difference between the share of respondents with a positive perception minus those with a negative perception of each country.) The country with the higher net score is relatively more popular, or less unpopular.
I feel like “dislike the least” would be more accurate.
The caption below the graph in the image states that is how you should interpret the results in some places:
The map compares the popularity of the U.S. and China in each country based on their net perception score (measured as the difference between the share of respondents with a positive perception minus those with a negative perception of each country.) The country with the higher net score is relatively more popular, or less unpopular.
Unlike in the small western propagandised US/EU group sinophobia isn’t so rampant.
So this is asking if you are a Sinophobe or Ameriphobe?
How problematic
You’ll notice a lot of the “Likes China” nations are consumer economies and a lot of the “Likes US” nations are export economies (particularly those in direct competition with China).
If I was working at Toyota, I wouldn’t like the folks exporting BYDs to all my biggest customers, either.
That may be a factor, but Germany is maybe the country in the world with the most auto industry. Possibly tied with Japan.
And while Japan favors USA, which may be in line with your thinking, Japan has always had problematic relations with China. Which is a more likely explanation IMO.
Still Germany favors China, so that speaks against your idea. And what’s notable is that most traditional American allies, now doesn’t even favor USA over China which has been a strained relation to mostly all those countries for a long time.I think what pisses people off is that USA is clearly abandoning their allies, friends and core values about international law and both political and trade relations, we’ve agreed on for more than 80 years.
USA abandoning Ukraine after they promised to protect Ukraine when they gave up their nukes, is a very strong political signal that USA can’t be trusted as a friend or ally.
We don’t expect much from China, as long as they don’t invade Taiwan that’s a plus!
With low expectations it’s much easier for China to live up to them.
USA on the other hand, is failing completely with Trump threats lies and manipulation, and not only Trump, but the entire administration and MAGA and GOP. So USA is looking more and more as no better than China.
And with China being the more reliable of the two, the favor tilts towards China now!It’s really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights, and have so little intention of following any promises previously made in international political agreements. Fuck Trump even abandoned his own trade agreement with Canada for no rational reason! And USA is threatening to invade an allied country!
IMO this has little to do with working in a car factory, but much more to do with Trump creating insecurity, and fucking everybody over, and looking more and more like a Nazi doesn’t help either.
core values about international law
decency and respect of human rights
LOL you live in a fantasy world.
Imperialism, wars, regime changes and supporting dictatorships are their values.
And then you have the nerve to criticise China.
A country that doesn’t do this.
Taiwan is part of China, even the US recognises that.
And again, it’s the US guilty of arming them and stirring trouble.Ukraine never had nukes, they were just placed there.
Still Germany favors China, so that speaks against your idea.
This is a race to the bottom. Germans blame the US for a host of domestic problems - high cost of energy, repeated large influxes of migrants (particularly from the Middle East), the repeated threat of high tariffs with a big trading partner, escalation with Russia over Ukraine which has cut Germany off from a number of major markets for cheap raw materials - that have eclipsed their nativist disgust for East Asian businesses.
It’s for the same reason Canadians hate the US, atm. Could change on a dime if the AfD takes over the German Parliament and Euro-centric white nationalism becomes an axis around which Russia, Germany, and the US can align.
I think what pisses people off is that USA is clearly abandoning their allies, friends and core values about international law
There’s a lot of rhetoric around Trump’s fickle ham-handedness. But Germans weren’t terribly positive about Biden or Bush, either. The Germans (and the French) are trying to corral the rest of Europe into operating as their client states. That’s turf the Americans staked out decades ago, and its one they’re struggling to hang onto. So there’s a natural tension between German and American capital that doesn’t exist in the same way with China, as China’s not an occupying military in the region.
Chinese imports are, if anything, easing Germany off the US market system and into an Eastern facing market with German banks and German-owned shipping companies at the center. Chinese and German business people are happy to play ball in the same way that American and Chinese business people worked together to undermine the American working class back in the 80s/90s.
It’s really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights
The Americans never had any decency or respect for human rights. What they had was advanced technology and an enormous economic surplus to spread around. Now, the US is in an intellectual and economic retreat, having invested too much of their surplus into a hyper-automated AI pipe dream.
Europe has nothing to gain by wedding itself to an economy that only knows how to make advertisements and bombs (and barely remembers how to crank out the latter). So we’re seeing a decoupling that was going to happen under any administration. Trump’s just dumping lighter fluid on the dumpster fire.
Nobody was positive about Bush, Bush started the slippery slope Trump is on now, for instance the war in Iraq was wildly unpopular, and the comment that if you aren’t with us you are against us was disgusting, considering the war was based on false intelligence, which was reveled already at the time.
Biden was at best a mediocre president, and he too made weird comments like USA will always stand by Ukraine at the same time Trump behaved as a Russian asset, and could possibly win the election. Still Trump has taken it to new lows in everything which even Bush didn’t, and USA was also very unpopular after Bush. But Trump is breaking agreements left and right and both politically and economically attacking allies for rational reason. Neither Bush nor Biden did anything remotely close to that.
Trump and Maga is really a new low in USA in so many ways, and even if Trump had a foreign policy of business as usual, he is obviously dangerous for his fascist policies, that would 100% eventually flow over to foreign affairs.But that besides the point I was trying to make above. You claimed it was mostly about being an export economy competing with China, I think I demonstrated that that is too simplistic.
Maybe the simpler point I could have made is that everybody competes with China.
But how you can even think of comparing Trump with Biden is beyond me, those are so different in almost every aspect that it’s ridiculous to make that comparison IMO.
I bet if there’s a comparable poll from 2 years ago, USA would have much more support back then.Nobody was positive about Bush
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“For all of my disagreements with President Bush, I will forever be grateful to him for guaranteeing we got the money we needed to rebuild New York,” Clinton says in Hillary.
Incidentally, the 9/11 Responder and Survivor Health Funding Correction Act did not pass until 2023.
We are flush with Bush hagiographies.
Maybe the simpler point I could have made is that everybody competes with China.
They’re the single largest manufacturing economy in the world. And they’re on the cutting edge of a host of modern technical fields.
Vanishingly few economies compete with China in any material way (Japan, India, Korea, maybe France and Brazil if we’re being generous). They’re a global wholesaler for everyone else.
Obviously some Americans liked him since he was elected twice, but nobody outside USA liked Bush.
And when I write nobody, obviously I don’t mean that literally, but Bush was a very disliked president outside USA.Vanishingly few economies compete with China in any material way
That’s a very weird claim, especially since you mention cars. Europe and China are in very steep competition also on cars. Countries highly affected by this area alone are: Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Czechia, Sweden, Netherlands, and UK. That means ALL the major economies of Europe are competing with China.
IDK if you are American, things may look different over there, you seem pretty ignorant of what happens in the rest of the world.
nobody outside USA liked Bush.
Blair defends Iraq war and praises Bush
Sept. 7, 2010
You can find similar pledges of support and friendship from Shinzo Abe, Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderon, Steven Harper, John Howard, Nicolas Sarkozy, Vladimir Putiny… Practically every conservative government leader of the War on Terror era was expressing support for Bush late into his second term and beyond.
Europe and China are in very steep competition also on cars.
The Shift of German Car Parts Manufacturing to China Explained
Oops. It’s all China.
IDK if you are American, things may look different over there
It’s not, that’s the joke. The American business model of buying from the cheapest producer and then spending all your money on branding/marketing is everywhere.
Both Volkswagen and Ford parts are coming from the same plants. Possibly made by the same exact machinists. The only thing you’re paying a premium for is the ad reads.
It’s really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights,
When were those ever a thing in America?
Brazilian here, can confirm.
TFW Vietnam likes you more than Canada
China probably feels pretty threatening to live next to. See: why many countries bordering Russia really really dislike Russia.
Vietnam has a very specific and valid grudge against China. Granted a grudge against the US would also be super valid. I think it falls along the lines of China should have been their ally so from them they felt betrayed. America just gave them what they expected from western imperialism. This is vibes based though so take it with multiple grains of salt
Source: 2025 Democracy Perception Index
Dear Americans, think about this one. If you can.
- Canada
With ex-NATO chief Rasmussen among others on the board of directors 😂
I’m sure they are very objectiveJust like to point out for everyone else that, at least when it comes to Canada, the US vs China is a Last vs Second Last situation. Opinions on China haven’t improved, the US has just fallen that far.
I imagine that will be the case many places elsewhere also. Certainly that is in line with my own thinking.
Opinions on China haven’t improved, the US has just fallen that far.
Weeelll maybe not entirely, while I think you are right about public opinion not having improved much towards China, and most of it is because USA definitely has fallen.
There is a matter about pragmatic politics of necessity or “real politics” as we call it here, but I don’t know if that term means the same in English. But in that regard China has REALLY shot up in popularity, as the option for cooperation to keep our economies afloat while USA is hammering everybody including themselves on the economy, and is causing grat instability.EU has made many trade deals since Trump became president, Closer ties with UK, new deals with Canada within multiple areas including defense cooperation, and trade deal with Indonesia and Singapore.
Some of these deals have been negotiated over years, but after Trump, they have suddenly become “finalized”. Meaning they will be written into law.In the exact same way talks with China are now way more open about improving trade relations, to compensate for USA being unreliable. So in practical terms, relations with China are actually improving because of Trump!
Yes, we know. You were supporting US atrocities without a shred of guilt or empathy for as along as you’ve existed. You only flipped because you’re now on the receiving end of it this time.
Exactly
Do you like Cyanide or Arsenic?
I like happiness, so I’ll go with cyanide.
I mean, if my options are the USA, China, and Russia, I’d rather go live on the moon.
Spoken like someone who has never lived on the moon.
Terran privilege
I think it’s at least pretty easy to rule out Russia as the worst of those 3.
Right, definitely not the cancer that is the US, let’s compare the countries they invaded and how many deaths they caused.
🤡Russia is invading and another country as we speak. I’m not sure how they stack up historically (and what parameters to use) but Russian invasion of Ukraine is just very recent
I’m a fan of my neighbor Canada. Hope to be a citizen one day.
Thanks trump
Interesting that two of the few countries that prefer the US to China are China’s fellow BRICS members Brazil and India.
India has a fascist religious nutbag as a president.
I have doubts on the accuracy of Brasil, since the source is a western and biased one.As recently as 4 years ago, India and China have had a border conflict.
And everyone they share the western Pacific with…
Not really surprising. China’s not a particularly great neighbor since their govt seems to enjoy claiming territory it don’t actually control.
The US imports a lot of guns from Brazil.
The US importing guns from Brazil has the same vibe as Saudi Arabia importing sand from Australia
The US imports guns from a number of countries.
I can safely report that is not the reason why the US is more popular in Brazil.
Feel free to share your wisdom if you know what is or might be the reason :)
Well, America isn’t producing tons of cheap solar panels to contribute to the energy transition
Culombian results surprised me.
Australia’s choice surprises me. As does Vietnam, of all places.
Australia are part of the 5 eyes and US bootlickers
Vietnam has almost always hated China. Vietnam only suffered under american imperialism for a couple decades, its suffered under chinese imperialism for millennia. There was a sort of alliance of convenience during the Vietnam War but as soon as the Americans left they sided with the soviets when the sino-soviet split happened. This got worse as China ( and the US to a lesser extent) backed Polpot and the khemir rouge while they were genociding Vietnamese in Cambodia and repeatedly starting border skirmishes until the Vietnamese invaded and kicked out polpot.
Even today the Vietnamese have contested borders with China in the south China sea, and the see the US as the only country that can guarantee they’re claims.
Historically, China has never been a good neighbor. Still isn’t.
As an american? Almost china at this point.
