In a well-intentioned yet dangerous move to fight online fraud, France is on the verge of forcing browsers to create a dystopian technical capability. Article 6 (para II and III) of the SREN Bill would force browser providers to create the means to mandatorily block websites present on a government provided list.

I don’t agree that it’s “well-intentioned” at all but the article goes on to point out the potential for abuse by copyright holders.

cross-posted from: https://radiation.party/post/64123

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    • figaro@lemdro.id
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      I don’t like the idea of conflating falsely accusing people of being a pedophile with calling someone out for holding harmful right-wing beliefs.

      The first (saying someone is supporting pedophiles) is oftentimes used as a method to support bans on anti-encryption technology. It is a bad-faith justification for harmful and 1984 type legislation.

      The second, however, is an argument used by right wing extremists to justify hate speech.

      To be clear - I’m not saying the government should mandate a ban on conservative media. I’m just saying that as a normal citizen, it is a justified, non-harmful act to call people with harmful right-wing beliefs ‘right wing extremists.’

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        I don’t like the idea of conflating falsely accusing people of being a pedophile with calling someone out for holding harmful right-wing beliefs.

        Here in the states, among common harmful right-wing beliefs is the assertion of calling LGBT+ folk groomers, especially when protesting trans folk existing.

        The use of bad-faith child safety and child victimization rhetoric to push questionable legislation, especially targeting general privacy or the rights of marginalized groups is so prevalent that it dwarfs by order of magnitude actual child welfare interests (like healthcare access, free school lunches and bullying in schools)

        So I’d be skeptical of any rhetoric that asserts a policy might protect children.

        I’d also be skeptical of IAccidentallyCame’s good faith regarding right wing rhetoric. As the world’s plutocratic elite runs out of lies to justify the hierarchies that keep them in power, right-wing rhetoric, including hate speech, is on the rise as a last defense against general unrest. They would rather the world literally burn than give up their wealth and power.

        Oh, and the world is literally burning.

        • figaro@lemdro.id
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          Yeah I intentionally didn’t go through their post history. Don’t have time for that lol. I mostly wrote that out for anyone who read his post and thought maybe there wasn’t a counter argument to what he said.

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            Well I had time to waste and this comment seems a little out of pocket from the rest. Dude actually said we are outgrowing profit motives as a species. People’s opinions are like a stained glass mural, each piece can be different.

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            His comparison is the definition of a bad faith, shoehorned argument, and exactly the kind of trash i was hoping to not see much of on beehaw.

        • IAccidentallyCame@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          It was a good faith comment, I’m merely pointing out another tactic that the powers that be try to use to discredit people. I’m not comparing pedophilia allegations against being called a far right extremist. I’m just pointing out it’s a separate tactic.

          I guess I wasn’t too clear on that, wasn’t expecting these sorts of replies.

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            Do you have an example though?

            I mean I know about using being a murderer, terrorist apologist, pedophile being used in bad faith, when was someone touting “if you are against this law, you’re a rightwing extremist” in bad faith?

      • omeara4pheonix@lemmy.zip
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        When they actually do have far right beliefs sure. But I think they were referring to people using the “right wing extremist” tag as a bludgeon for any views right of their own, or things that may not even be right at all.

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      I guarantee you being called a pedophile vs “too far right“ or even a “right wing extremist” will yield incredibly different results in a crowded room. This is an absurd comparison.

      • IAccidentallyCame@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Yes, I agree. My point was left v. Right or anything like that. I was just pointing out that it’s another label I’ve seen thrown out label I’ve seen thrown out there in the last few years when trying to discredit people.

        I guess my point didn’t come off they way I meant it looking at all of these replies.

        • figaro@lemdro.id
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          It’s all good dude. You are right, it has been used in the past to discredit people. I think there is an argument to be had that in most instances, the label was applied for good reason, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say that it was correct 100% of times. Kinda like the label “Nazi.” Honestly that is thrown around so much that it starts to lose it’s meaning! (Perhaps that is the intent…?)

          Hope you have a good weekend. 👍

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      There is absolutely no need to bring left vs right identity politics into the discussion, please stick to the topic of piracy. Same goes for the replies below. Thanks.

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          Why should we give up on trying to listen to each other’s point of view?

          It’s never too late to learn how to participate in a community.

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            He explicitly told the person to stop doing what they’re doing. I’m relaying how best to get the results he wants. Whether or not he has some moral obligation to listen to every person who wants his attention is immaterial.

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      Could you give an example of a situation where people who are against such a law are unfairly dismissed by being falsely accused of being right wing extremists? I think this might be a valid comparison but not sure how often this really happens.