• Disaster@sh.itjust.works
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    The reason most civilized nations have removed the death penalty is that even in modern criminal cases, at least one in five convicted persons are innocent.

    If you lock someone up, there is the possibility of releasing them and providing them with an income to say sorry for taking most of their life away. If you execute them, nothing can be done to make amends - it is a final and irreversible step.

    I cannot even imagine the kind of kangaroo justice that would be encouraged by attempting to go after anyone involved in this current state of affairs. If we get things wrong 20% of the time with a stable society, how well are we going to fare on establishing guilt when we’re trying to quickly process tens of thousands of stormtrooper cosplayers? Yes, they’re probably horrible, horrible people, but I think extreme repercussions should be reserved for ringleaders and people in a decision making capacity. Even then, we should stop short of killing them.

    I am fairly sure the people on the ground acting out will have the rest of their lives to process the trauma they’ve inflicted on themselves, their communities and their victims - and many of them won’t be able to come to grips with it in this lifetime.

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      The Confederates in America got off easy, and look what their descendants have become: MAGATs. What that tells me, is that the confederates were only sorry for losing, not that they processed trauma and developed empathy.

      It would be good if your path works. Unfortunately, I cannot find the faith to believe in your position.

      The concentration camps of CECOT and Alligator Auschwitz shouldn’t exist. Noem Kristi making light of 65 million latino lives as alligator feed, it doesn’t inspire confidence in the humanity of whom I once considered to be American. I will hope you are right, but I cannot wager on it.

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        Concentration camps have existed in the US and Canada before. First for indigenous populations and then for the Japanese after Peal Harbor.

        And you’re right, it’s a sore test of faith to allow people to continue to live in bigotry - and especially difficult when they are doing everything in their power to hurt you. Unfortunately short of “killing them all”, which is a path that will lead to exactly the same outcomes over time, it has to be done.

        There is a reason a path of faith is considered a harder path.