Hell, the socialist aesthetics aren’t even necessary. Just hating the United States is enough.
Nuance is hard, yo…
Nah, think I’m going to boil down hundreds of years of history in to 280 characters, that’s the best way to get my point across in the tiktok age.
Aesthetics is doing some heavy lifting in that statement.
No, sorry, only one thing can be true at once. My working memory is really small.
Everybody Sucks Here
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Truth.
USA <- old and busted
FSA <- new and even more busted because the F is for Fascist.
Don’t worry - this is tankiejerk. We’re an anti-tankie comm. Bootlickers aren’t tolerated here.
that use the aesthetics of socialism
This isn’t even a criteria for many
Can anyone explain what the aesthetics of socialism are and which atrocities are being hidden?
Could it be China? But they aren’t Socialist.
Not in practice, but they do claim to be (and in fairness, do some things in a more “socialist” way - looking at you privatisation in the west…)
I think this what OOP means with “aesthetics”, it’s that they claim to be a socialist state, when in many ways, it’s rather capitalist.
Regardless, holding up any country as a beacon of all that is good is pretty silly, if you ask me.
No where (that I know of) should be emulated in every regard.
Could it be China? But they aren’t Socialist.
Take that up with tankies, who will argue long and passionately that China is actually very socialist.
I think Xi self identifies as Marxist Leninist
“Whataboutism” is one of the most prevalent logical fallacies. It never makes any sense.
If the much worse enemies of the USA have a lot to gain by the USA’s downfall and are actively promoting said downfall, then it’s not whataboutism to unmask them like a scooby doo villain.
Tankies don’t give af about trans rights, Tankies don’t give af about any human rights, Tankies don’t want you to live and flourish in any capacity at all. Do not be fooled by their rhetoric all over Lemmy.
It’s mostly from .ml in my experience, Hell, look at the goons spouting off against tgis post in these very comments. .ml
IMO, self respecting instances need to defederate from .ml so they are not so overrun by tankie clapping sealions… Just like with hexbear, they deserve to be silenced by social forces.
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It’s literally a crime to portray LGBT in Chinese media, they’ve been censoring it harder than ever recently.
Don’t even get me started on Russia or Iran.
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Another top contender is that all things with defects or drawbacks are equally horrible and unacceptable.
However it can be used to point out someone’s hypocrisy. If country A is genociding people from country B, while screaming about people from country B genociding people from country C, “what about your genocide” is an appropriate response.
Calling out hypocrisy can be valid but it must further discussion, not shut it down. In your example, if country A is committing genocide while condemning country B for genocide, the problem isn’t just country B’s actions. It’s that country A is deflecting from its own crimes instead of addressing them.
Saying ‘what about your genocide’ only matters if it leads to accountability for both. If it’s just used to avoid taking responsibility, then it’s whataboutism. It shifts the focus without solving anything.
To reiterate, whataboutism is deflection meant to shut down further discussion.
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Appealing to hypocrisy is a fallacy, full stop. Someone can be a hypocrite but that has no bearing on whether an action is justifiable for both/neither.
The infallabile “ha, gotcha” fallacy
That’s why they keep repeating the phrase “critical support”. They support oppressive regimes in their fight against the US, but still remain critical of them (any criticism of their favorite dictatorship will get you banned).
It’s actually more like “critical hit” in a video game. If they hit a critical support with their internet comment then North Korea gets +5 anti imperialism for 20 minutes. It’s the meta bro
Also, if we want to make progress in the world and not let billionaires play us against each other, maybe the best judgement process is to evaluate how things are working out overall instead of slapping a black hat on anything that isn’t perfect enough for a white hat.
Spoiler: It’s waaaay more than three or four.
But… dichotomy is best omy? Putin can’t be lying, because other states bad.
Dont eat the vatnik soup:
Or any “aesthetics” to his atrocities.
