• DoubleDongle@lemmy.world
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    I have never, ever heard of someone calling for the deportation of Israelis. I think anyone who wants that was probably anti-semitic already and has taken the objectively horrific actions of the IDF as a reason to hate Jewish people in general.

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      9 minutes ago

      So I, a jew who has never even been to Israel, who’s ancestors left centuries ago, am responsible for the state of Israel in any fucking way?

      Jewish does not mean Israeli… At all.

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      54 minutes ago

      I’m onboard with that, man. Like I said, I’m down with everything up to the very destruction of the Israeli state. It’s just ethnic cleansing and antisemitism I’m opposed to.

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      53 minutes ago

      Imagine if nature does what humankind could not - ends the whole miserable crisis.

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    7 hours ago

    I mean sure. Don’t me a racist bigot. Of course.

    But let’s not pretend that religion isn’t fueling the atrocities being committed on both sides of the conflict.

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      Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived in that area together for hundreds of years. This is a political conflict. The fucking Israeli settlers are psychopaths who roll into towns and start setting things on fire. It’s about territory, like all colonialist aggression.

      Just gonna leave this here…

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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        51 minutes ago

        Religion does have a nonzero influence, but you’re correct in that this is primarily a political conflict. Zionists murder Muslim and Christian Palestinians alike, and Fatah, a secular resistance movement, was the leading org of the Palestinian side for the longest time.

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      Religion isn’t fueling it, it is just used as moral justification from both sides. If religion didn’t exist the same thing would happen, but with a different form of moral justification.

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      4 hours ago

      It’s a ton of racism too. Darker skinned Jews get all sorts of discrimination, it’s just not as extreme as someone who is Palestinian.

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      4 hours ago

      This is what I said and then someone blew up in my face about it when I said this in another thread/post. Why are people so hard headed when it comes to accepting reality I wonder.

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      If it wasn’t religion it would be race or ideology or language or eye color. You could press a button and eliminate religion from history and all of these problems would still exist.

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    13 hours ago

    Israel is the most anti-Jewish state since Nazi Germany, and Palestinians are semitic.

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    Unfortunately, the term “antisemitic” no longer has any kind of fixed meaning. I wish that weren’t true, and I think it’s a combination of forces that decided to misuse the word for several decades, that have now led to it being meaningless.

    And you might be tempted to tell me what you think it means, and maybe I could agree with you, but when I turn on the TV tomorrow someone else will be using it in a totally different way that’s inconsistent. Actually I’m kidding. I don’t have a TV.

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      Words that people misuse are still meaningful when the reader and writer both understand the same meaning. I expect you understand OP perfectly well.

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        Words that people misuse for the sake of propaganda are intentionally misleading, regardless of how any in-group understands it.

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          Your use of the word “intentionally” is quite confusing to me. Intentionally misleading on whose part? The word’s part, or the in-group’s?

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    Jewish people and groups around the world need to issue strong rejection of Israel’s actions.

    If they don’t, i’m very concerned that Israel’s crimes will fall back on them in the future.

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      2 hours ago

      Let’s look at sentiment from different groups

      Young and liberal associate them with Israeli genocide.

      Young and conservative is full of full on Nazis.

      Politically they aren’t worth much being concentrated in liberal strongholds.

      When the old folks who are pro Israel go into the grounds dislike will be a rare point of agreement. Not a great position.

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        It will protect them from the free palestine crowd, but not from anti-semites. Is there a downside though?

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            I’m sure contains, though I doubt there’s a complete overlap, not covers for. People who want a literal genocide to end aren’t automatically antisemites or antisemite apologists. Nor are antisemites, especially Trumper antisemites, automatically in favor of Palestine.

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            Well yeah, obviously. There are anti-semites everywhere. I meant those whose motivations are “free palestine,” which in my estimate is the main motivation of the free palestine crowd when viewed as a whole – not antisemitism. I don’t mean to say that there don’t exist people who are aligned with free-palestine just because they’re anti-semitic. But there’s no protection from those people either way – so, no downside.

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    15 hours ago

    It’s my understanding that it is occurring naturally on its own, anyways?

    A few reporting I’ve heard on Israel describes a state filled with dual-citizenship inhabitants that are used to first-world standard and would rather leave the country than deal with inconveniences. I oversimplify here, but who really wants to live in a genocidal state? Whether you’re on board or not with the genocide, it’s still a massive point of friction with neighbors.

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      15 hours ago

      There’s a significant issue of younger Israelis emigrating from Israel due to that friction, though I don’t know the exact numbers.

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        14 hours ago

        It’s a few tens of thousands, not a huge number, but significant for a small country. Also not necessarily younger ones. Families are moving out too. Greece is the first destination at the moment.

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          I think that the fact that youths and families are leaving is a much worse demographic crisis than it might seem at first glance. It’s literally the future of the country that is leaving.

          It’s definitely looking dire for Israel, just on a demographic level.

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      Seems unlikely you’ll get more than half of people leaving “naturally.” Or at least, “naturally” is going to look more and more like “coerced” over the years if progress is made.

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        12 hours ago

        I’m not sure I understand what you are implying by if progress is made. Progress on what, exactly?

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          Progress on ending genocide. If there is progress, then those responsible will be leaving or facing their war crimes. Hopefully both.

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          Without “if progress is made,” my statement would have read:

          “naturally” is going to look more and more like “coerced,”

          but I don’t believe this, since my expectation is that the status quo will remain.

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    So many people on the left for whom jew = Zionist = fascist Israeli. It plays right in the hand of all the actual right-wingers and fascists supporting Israel. Appalling and stupid.

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      Where are these phantom lefties that think of Jewish = Zionist. Stop making shit up.

      Most reasonable people out there know that being Jewish =\ zionists. There are plenty of Jewish people out there that are against Israel. It’s the Israeli government that has tried their best to conflate the two in order to protect their own murderous regime.

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      Isn’t that the stance of Israel as well? They claim to be the representatives of all jewish people.

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        So lefties should align their position on the fascist government of Israel ? 🤔

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          That’s why literally nobody on the left does this. A common and reasonable refrain is that it’s anti-semitic to conflate judaism and zionism.

          These imaginary jew=zionist leftists are just a lib fever dream. Zio delusions.

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    Hating on the Israeli government is bound to attract “the other group who has similar things to say and a bit more”. Now suddenly we are all group into the anti-semite barrel by Israel. Master class false dichotomy there.