All from in this thread in [email protected] about a chant at a British music festival where an artist said “death, death to the IDF”.
After other users were quoting that chant in the comments and had comments removed and banned, the hero of our story, @[email protected] (appearing as “acargitz”) pointed out that under international law, fighting an occupying force is legitimate. But apparently not under world news rules, as their removed comments and the many explanations from mods make clear in the thread.
Equally against the rules is the call for the eradication of an organisation or business, even without an explicit call to violence against individual members of the business.
In the same thread: user @[email protected] had comments removed for being anti-American “(again)”, though I couldn’t see the first time. It’s not even clear to me how the removed comments were anti-American.
Bonus points for the “DC Comics” removal reason. Though this seems to be incompetence, rather than malice.
No, it’s not OK to call for violence against ANYONE. Full stop. There is no list of “OK to threaten this person or group, but not these others.”
The only stuff that slides are the comments that never get reported. Mods are volunteers and we have lives, we aren’t reading every comment looking to fuck with threads.
We DO read every report and take actions based on them.
Are you going to remove comments saying “Israel has a right to self defence”? As Israeli “self defence” means murdering civilians by any means available.
No, because every country has the right to self defense, that is not a call to violence.
Aren’t Palestinians having right to self defence?
Sure they do, but their self defense in the real world has absolutely nothing to do with our community rules.
They cannot advocate for killing Israelis in our group any more than Israelis can advocate for killing Palestinians. We DO NOT allow that shit.
We control what we can in the groups we moderate, we don’t moderate the real world, that’s outside our responsibility.
Do you accept that IDF is an occupying force and therefore Palestinians have right to kill IDF soldiers - and call for IDF to be killed?
They can, BUT NOT IN OUR COMMUNITES.
Get this through your thick head:
Online forums are not the real world. They have their own rules and guidelines. What you do in the real world and what you are allowed to say in one of our forums ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
Because you are a Zionist and you only allow Israel to claim “self defence” as per your other comment?
Get it through your thick skull: Palestinians calling for killing IDF is a self defence. Israel calling for “self defence” is not a self defence at all - it is a call to murder yet more civilians including children.
Actions matter, sweetie.
Not a zionist, read my own posts and comments in the communities.
If you advocate to kill Palestinians, your comments will ALSO be removed.
Well ive seen quite a few calls for and defenses of things that get people killed.
I’ve seen your server called a ‘safe space for zionism’. Repeatedly. You shelter and propagate violence. You are violent.
Actual total non-violence is an extrenely radical position, one i dont think you’re taking, one i don’t think you’re brave enough to genuinely hold and take the shit for. One i may not be radical or brave enough to hold earnestly.
You accept, and favor, some violence. If you won’t admit it; that’s worse.
I’m sure there’s TONS of stuff out there that gets missed. We all missed the anti-natalist community until the mod there decided to blow up a fertility clinic.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-05-20/fire-fascination-with-explosives-family-discord-marked-path-to-clinic-bombing
But what we don’t miss is the shit that gets reported. There are tools in place to make sure all the mods in a group are notified if reports start stacking up.
But the stuff we miss because either a) we don’t see it or b) it’s not reported, doesn’t mean we’re going to apologize for the shit we DO remove.
I think you do support violence, and your replies elsewhere confirn that. You just like to use cutesy words and convoluted mechanisms so you’re alienated from it’s exercise and distanced from its responsibility.
Nobodys blaming you for the anti natalist guy. That one was fucking weird.
You have absolutely no idea what I do and do not support because nobody yet has asked me how I personally feel. :) My Personal opinions don’t enter into it, if they did, that would be bad moderation.
Personally, my opinion on Israel and Gaza is the genocide will continue until either a) every last Palestinian is dead or b) Someone has the balls to invade Israel, disarm them, force them to stop and arrest and execute every war criminal involved from the lowliest IDF soldier all the way up to Netanyahu himself.
No country on earth is willing to do b. So take a wild guess what the end result will be? Should to be that way? Absolutely not, but again, nobody has the will to make the necessary change to make it happen.
Personally, my opinion on Ukraine and Russia is that no people fights harder than when they’re overturning a foreign invasion. Properly armed, Ukraine will RUIN Russia.
But the key bit there is “properly armed” and the Republicans running the US absolutely do not want that to happen. We can change that in the '26 election, we WON’T, but it would be nice if we did.
But if someone comes into my groups advocating for the execution of Netanyahu, I will remove that comment because it violates the rules of the community. The community does not exist to promulgate violence, regardless how how I personally feel about it.
I think i mightve waaaay upthread, but you did kind of explicitly say a little more recently.
Then let a large language model do it. Or is that a complete fucking shit show every time someone tries?
See, this is where i think we disagree on that. Youve got a very 19th century view of war here. I think if you skipped the bullshit show trials til you were mostly done, a much leaner organization could get that done. I dont think state monopolies on violence are worth sacrificing an entire people to.
I think if the zionists started seeing their foreign tourists killed, their food imports poisoned, even their weapons backfiring at more than the usual rate, this could be actually ended.
Edit: i dont even think most of it needs to be tightly coordinated. I think if they’re just spontaneously murdered coming back from getting beer at a stadium, and everyobe stops helping them to cheer, once the annoubcer clarifies who/why? If a foreign made toy car gets made out of an ingot of something originally labelled ‘drop and run’ and a little ‘free palestine’ engraved on the inside, gets delivered to a day care the zionist parliament sends its kids to? I think those deaths woukd do more to ending the genocide than a million soldier-on-soldier deaths. Saying that cant be called for is advocating for continuing the genocide.
Yeah they’re super fucked. It’s not cool. Bullshit rigged election wont change that. Europe may or may not. Not placing any bets.
But im not sure the russian army needs to fall here. I know at tye start of tgis shit show, it was conscripts who didnt want to be there being driven by a massive machine of domestic repression. I think, unlike the zionists, there’s a small handful of old rich shit heads in russia, and maybe a couple buildings full of bureaucratic momemtum, that could have gone away and solved the whole thing in a few hours, and other problems besides. Maybe still are.
And i think the massive numbers of dead, of fields polluted with bombs, of more expensive sunflower seeds, of production and greenhouse gas and horrible trauma turned towards killing each other, is largely the outcome of your statist ideology.
The idea that wars are between armies, despite civilians doing most of the suffering. The whole general map-game-y bullshit view of geopolitics.
The idea that the government, even a repressive totalitarian government, can be equated with its people.
The idea that ‘leaders’ are somehow sacred and inviolable, and that those who build and operate the machinery of power are personally blameless
Please don’t mention ‘trials’ to me; you know thats bullshit fantasy nonsense. Systems of strict axiom breed lies; ask anyone raised by strict parents.
I would literally rather open my own wrists than turn over any part of my daily responsibility, in real life or on lemmy, to a large language model.
We used to have a bot that posted fact check stats in every post, people hated that. You think they’d stand to be moderated by an LLM? Yeah, that’s NEVER going to happen, at least not here.
Look at all the problems algorithmic moderation causes on YouTube or Facebook. Granted they’re so many times bigger than lemmy it’s not even funny, but I also don’t see any other way for them to do moderation due to their size. 🤷♂️ It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Yep. But onto the rest of what i said…