I don’t see you pointing anything out that might refute it.
Most members of the DSA are also Dems. Communist Parties in the US are immensely tiny and, for that matter, often put forward positions that directly refuse cooperation with filthy shitlib movements like 50501.
Unless you have a remarkably specific local milieu, it’s unlikely that you’d see more of both of them than of Dems.
The DNC is still operating in Business-As-Usual mode.
I’m talking about the 50501 on the steps of the Colorado statehouse on May 1st. The Democrats were not represented, but there were half a dozen socialist/communist parties with booths set up and about the same number of unions.
Missed the ‘May 1st’ part of it and made a comment referencing an earlier protest; it seems there was a small protest on May 1st that was hampered by two separate groups not coordinating.
I went to three protests that day, only one of them had any official party representation and it was a local politician who had a speech to give. Nothing that might actually spur people towards action.
If only Very Serious Ideologues hadn’t spent the past 50 years insisting that any behavior that didn’t immediately overthrow the government (It Will Happen Any Day Now) was worthless, we might be in a better position to act quickly.
But hell, if your idea is to act quickly, by all means - act! But if your thought is “Laying groundwork is worthless”, you had better goddamn be acting instead of preparing, because if you’re doing neither, you’re not really any better than any “Price of eggs” ghoul who doesn’t care how many foreign children die as long as their omelets remain cheap.
These fools wouldn’t understand that real protest requires direct action. None of this begging bullshit and hoping for the establishment to be swayed against its own self interest.
But protesting is how we win. Did you not see the Democrats during the state of the Union speech. Did you see the Booker marathon reading. George Floyd protest. No Kings. That port shut down whatever the fuck that was. Occupy. Occupy 2. The woman’s March.
I love that your personality is “Don’t vote for a Democratic candidate or protest, it’s useless”, but people like you never bother to propose a realistic alternative. I’m sure you have a super secret solution that will totally work 😉
I literally have tons of ideas. Really simple shit too but you all love to argue so much and never learn. The leftist of today are the same leftist that let FBI infiltrate their most effective groups in the 70s and let them turn them into nonsense cults to kill any momentum. There the same leftist that took occupy wallstreet and turned it into a nonsense cult of stoners clicking their fingers in a park. It’s the same leftist that went from having a dominant cultural position with media and tech and has handed it to the right wing on a platter. The same leftist that have removed themselves from every social spaces allowing right wing ideas to rapidly spread while we all sit in the corner laughing about Ed Sheeran moth beans.
We need engagement and capture. I watched the right wing spend a year building a network of accounts from the ground up. That network spread information rapidly. And by information, it was literally shit posts. Trump on horseback with no shirt soy Wojack nonsense. And it fucking worked. It’s the most bullshit thing you accept but it’s true. People need to act like a network flood the channels with the messages to refute theirs.
You need another no Kings protest. Do it again Super effective
What, more boring groundwork? If it doesn’t overthrow the government immediately, what good is it?
What groundwork? I see more of the DSA and communist parties at 50501s than Democrats.
What a bizarre claim.
I don’t see you pointing anything out that might refute it. The DNC is still operating in Business-As-Usual mode.
Most members of the DSA are also Dems. Communist Parties in the US are immensely tiny and, for that matter, often put forward positions that directly refuse cooperation with filthy shitlib movements like 50501.
Unless you have a remarkably specific local milieu, it’s unlikely that you’d see more of both of them than of Dems.
Okay?
I’m talking about the 50501 on the steps of the Colorado statehouse on May 1st. The Democrats were not represented, but there were half a dozen socialist/communist parties with booths set up and about the same number of unions.
Missed the ‘May 1st’ part of it and made a comment referencing an earlier protest; it seems there was a small protest on May 1st that was hampered by two separate groups not coordinating.
I went to three protests that day, only one of them had any official party representation and it was a local politician who had a speech to give. Nothing that might actually spur people towards action.
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If it doesn’t act quickly it will be no good as they are fortifying their positions.
If only Very Serious Ideologues hadn’t spent the past 50 years insisting that any behavior that didn’t immediately overthrow the government (It Will Happen Any Day Now) was worthless, we might be in a better position to act quickly.
But hell, if your idea is to act quickly, by all means - act! But if your thought is “Laying groundwork is worthless”, you had better goddamn be acting instead of preparing, because if you’re doing neither, you’re not really any better than any “Price of eggs” ghoul who doesn’t care how many foreign children die as long as their omelets remain cheap.
These fools wouldn’t understand that real protest requires direct action. None of this begging bullshit and hoping for the establishment to be swayed against its own self interest.
But protesting is how we win. Did you not see the Democrats during the state of the Union speech. Did you see the Booker marathon reading. George Floyd protest. No Kings. That port shut down whatever the fuck that was. Occupy. Occupy 2. The woman’s March.
lol
I love that your personality is “Don’t vote for a Democratic candidate or protest, it’s useless”, but people like you never bother to propose a realistic alternative. I’m sure you have a super secret solution that will totally work 😉
I literally have tons of ideas. Really simple shit too but you all love to argue so much and never learn. The leftist of today are the same leftist that let FBI infiltrate their most effective groups in the 70s and let them turn them into nonsense cults to kill any momentum. There the same leftist that took occupy wallstreet and turned it into a nonsense cult of stoners clicking their fingers in a park. It’s the same leftist that went from having a dominant cultural position with media and tech and has handed it to the right wing on a platter. The same leftist that have removed themselves from every social spaces allowing right wing ideas to rapidly spread while we all sit in the corner laughing about Ed Sheeran moth beans.
We need engagement and capture. I watched the right wing spend a year building a network of accounts from the ground up. That network spread information rapidly. And by information, it was literally shit posts. Trump on horseback with no shirt soy Wojack nonsense. And it fucking worked. It’s the most bullshit thing you accept but it’s true. People need to act like a network flood the channels with the messages to refute theirs.
What ideas do you have? I hadn’t heard the term groundwork before now, and I don’t know what this debate is about really. Can you explain?