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Well, you see what they are doing to Mamdani.

Bitching about him?

Bipartisan, fully backed by the oligarchy and increasingly hysterical mainstream media.

I mean, other than the usual suspects (Fox, CNN), not really sure I’d call the coverage of Mamdani hysterical. Nor would I really call the opposition to Mamdani bipartisan - at most, I’d say that most of the neoliberal ghouls of the Dem old guard are keeping him at arm’s length at the moment, which, considering he’s literally the Dem candidate for one of the most important cities in the country, is unfuckingconsciable, don’t get me wrong, but it’s also not joining arms with the panicked drumbeating of the GOP. Which, tbh, has been absolutely hilarious to watch so far.

Cant have anyone up for election that isnt approved by the ruling class. We will see if Mamdani even survives until the election or of he gets assassinated before.

I think you both overestimate the willingness of the current spineless (for once in our favor) political class to resort to outright political murder, and the importance of the position of mayor of a single city, no matter how important. Even in moderately authoritarian regimes outright enemies of the regime can manage to win important municipal elections. The current vile behavior of the fascists in government is still, at the moment, predicated on deniability and limited adherence to established procedures (particularly, the use of government officials - ICE - to perform their unlawful detainments) which lend the regime legitimacy in the eyes of the electorate.

Authoritarian regimes can be very funny about this (not ha-ha funny, unfortunately); in the Stalinist era of the Soviet Union, for example, you could have your fingernails torn out, or be outright tortured to death (illegally, according to the laws of the Soviet Union), but without a written and signed confession, even one literally flecked with blood, the criminal trial against a Soviet citizen very often would not be able to go forward. The line between “I told the NKVD to go fuck themselves long enough that they did” and “I told the NKVD to go fuck themselves long enough that they put a bullet in my head” is thin, but the uncertainty inherent in authoritarian regimes works against them - no one knows when someone is going to be made a scapegoat for PR reasons, so no one wants to be the one who interrupts demonstrable, documented, or public procedure, even if they don’t actually give a single good goddamn about the law as a principle.

Now, Mamdani being stripped of his citizenship and disqualified from running? That is, bizarrely and concerningly, a very real threat, even if one I still think is overall unlikely at the moment.

It’s not working, but I can at least see where they’re coming from right? In the not-too-distant past, there was very high inequality and we got the French Revolution and several Communist revolutions. What’s different now?

See, the problem here is that I find ‘where they’re coming from’ as based on fundamentally flawed premises.

For example, before both the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution (both February and October/November), the circumstances that led to revolution were not simply “Government is oppressive” - the government had been oppressive for a very long time, and at times much more intensely than at the time of the revolutions. The circumstances and triggers were distinctly aligned along the empowerment of the people - hard-fought-for reforms put revolutionaries and reformers into a position where overthrow of the government was, in the first place, possible - and often begun on terms much more moderate than it would end on.

Imagine if all those on the ‘left’, in the original sense, abstained from participation in the Assembly of Notables, and left it to be a conservative rubber-stamp? Imagine if the restriction and oversight of workers’ organizations in the Russian Empire had made the socialists disengage in participation with them? What revolution would have been possible?

Suffering is not the core element of revolution - if it was, at least a good third of countries (and probably more) in the modern day would be in the process of being overthrown. The power or positioning of those who are dissatisfied is the core element of revolution - and why reforms, even if they fix nothing, are important to any long-term leftist movement.

“If we just make the oppressed suffer a little more, they’ll surely both rise up AND become ideologically aligned with us!” is particularly stupid, considering the already-quite-sparse history of uprisings by oppressed demographics without a fundamental shift in the ideological framework of their society. Generally, they are either unsuccessful, or usher in a “Meet the new boss, same as the old” scenario wherein all that changes is who exactly is in the position of oppressed and oppressor, not a change in the fundamental power dynamics of society.

Dissatisfaction is not education, nor is it inherently inducement to resist. People very often in the history of mankind have submitted to being led to the worst kind of torture and pointless deaths simply because they did not feel themselves in a position of power to resist. It is not the unsupervised prisoners condemned to fates worse than death who overthrow regimes, nor generally the oppressed minorities ready to be tortured to death at a moment’s notice, nor the peasants being hunted down for sport by a chevauchee - it is those who think they have leverage to start with. Desperation can drive a pre-existing revolutionary movement to more drastic action, but it generally does not create revolutionary movements.

(My assumption is the state power is much greater now, so regimes like North Korea, Iran, Belarus, etc are able to hold power despite making their people unhappy.)

I would actually disagree here - the power of the state, in absolute terms, can push repression a bit further, but fundamentally, modern states are more vulnerable to revolutions than states in the past. The cultivation of mass communication and organization means that extremely closed cliques or castes are simply nonviable as a means of maintaining control of the state itself. Without that closed organization, ultimately, while a state can sieve a certain amount of dissent away from security forces by special privileges and background checks, the fact that its protectors and its subjects come from the same stock means that modern states are much more limited in their ability to upset the masses.

Iran is probably the best example of this dynamic - it has to balance feeding extremist propaganda to the population, with projections of strength, and concessions to popular contentment.

If it gave all power to extremist propaganda, the IRGC would effectively run the state - which, other than being displeasing to the clerical fascist class currently ruling, would disincentivize the proper military, the technocrats, and the politicos from cooperation with the state, which would pretty invariably be fatal - either in the form of a coup, or in an inability to resist outside pressure. If it gave all power to projections of strength, then the citizenry’s incentive to cooperate beyond the bare minimum to escape punishment would be eliminated, ironically severely weakening the reality of that strength by reducing the number and quality of those recruited into the security forces and, for that matter, would put the current clerical fascist class at risk of a coup by acknowledging that they have no legitimacy that does not trace back to the security forces. And to give into popular demands - as Iran pointedly did not during the Mahsa Amini protests - would mean a dissolution of the authoritarian state entirely, a revolution with minimal bloodshed, as in post-Franco Spain or the Color Revolutions of Eastern Europe.

For an authoritarian state to last beyond a handful of years, it has to balance all of these factors to prevent both coups and revolutions, whereas generally, pre-modern states only really had to worry about coups insofar as internal dissolution was concerned.

(upvoted for discussion, btw)

I think you’re absolutely correct. State powers have spent the last 100 years practicing how to repress their populations and keep them under control. We saw cracks in that power during the rise of social media but it seems like they’re closer to healing those over with each passing day, and once they conquer the digital frontier, their control over our lives and media will be like nothing we’ve seen before.