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  • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
    41·
    21 hours ago

    the upside is that a lot of broke willfully pridefully ignorant magas are going to learn just how socialist they actually are

    • anon6789@lemmy.world
      15·
      19 hours ago

      The downside is those people have kids that didn’t vote for this.

      And while I’d like the people that did vote for this to understand what they supported, I really don’t want them to starve either. It feels more cruel than helpful. If we’re supporting basic human rights, which we should, that includes shitty people, for better or worse.

      • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
        12·
        19 hours ago

        this is true. but the other replies are true too: they will say my kids are starving and it’s the democrats fault

        because in a post-truth world, right-wing claims don’t need to be supported by reason, logic, evidence, or…anything. meanwhile claims from “the left” can be supported by mountains of research, facts, and literal “this object i have in my hand exists” evidence, and it’s still considered “fake news”

        • anon6789@lemmy.world
          7·
          18 hours ago

          I agree with the assessment of willful/blind ignorance. This could hardly be proven more than by Rep. Kat Cammack blaming the Democrats for Florida’s abortion ban almost killing her. But while she almost got her own face eaten by the leopard, there would be some karmic justice there one could argue, but again, to see people in America suffer or die for very preventable conditions is insane to me.

          The real upside, if we wish to see one from this spiteful and asinine budget cut, is an opportunity to show we’re not whatever it is they’ve been told we are. Make sure your neighbors and family are ok, if they’re MAGA or not. We can look for revenge, or we can live in an egalitarian way that we’d want things to be. Don’t preach people your beliefs, show them why you believe it. You won’t always win people over, but most folks will remember if you gave them a hand when they needed it and didn’t guilt them or hold something over them, but were just a good human being.

          We’re allowed to be mad. We deserve to be mad. But we should still act right. Somebody’s got to be the adult in the room.

            • anon6789@lemmy.world
              6·
              18 hours ago

              My patience is only for the everyday people in our lives. Most of them I think are poorly or wrongly informed or just have no interest or understanding of politics. I’m plenty interested in politics and the economy, etc, and I maybe have a solid grip on 1% of what all the government actually does or can do.

              Those who are public officials, elected or appointed, or in some other way active participants such as citizen “militias”, Jan 6ers, etc… those people can burn in hell for what they’ve done to this place. They’ve done irreparable harm and did it purposefully over decades. They know and understand what they’re doing. They have no excuse. They’re criminals and traitors to our country.

              I assume we’re all somewhere left of center here, so I may have not been clear on that distinction.

                • anon6789@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  12 hours ago

                  Pennsylvania, so it varies. My friends are of diverse backgrounds, but my extended family is very red and that was how I was raised.

                  Most people I talk to just follow what “their people” tell them and don’t learn about it any more. We’re on a political community because we’re into it, but the majority of people don’t know or care beyond the sales pitch they get from whomever their preferred media source is.

                  I find them more politically ignorant than malicious. They’ll say stupid stuff, but if you can get conversation going to where you can present things in a way that is equitable to most people you get “that sounds like a good idea” but tell them that’s a lefty stance and they dig in their heals and won’t believe it.

                  I’ll hear them say racist or sexist or homophobic things, but they’ve always been respectful to my girlfriends, my gay friends, and I’ve never actually seen them be rude to anyone they thought for their race. They’re just scared of shit they don’t know. Put something in front of them, they see it isn’t scary, and they can accept it because now it’s familiar.

                  The in laws are worse than my family, but they all drove 6 hours to the one cousin’s lesbian interracial half Jewish, half Christian wedding. They hated the food because it had flavor, but they didn’t make a deal about it in public, and they had a great time and celebrated them as much as at any other wedding, and they love her and accept them both.

                  Trust me, the cognitive dissonance blows my mind, and it’s hard to accept the duality that people can talk one way and support hateful things while they could turn around and be nice to the people they were just hating on, but that has been my years of experience with people here.

                  I got experience outside my bubble and learned to love it. I stopped being selfish, learned empathy for strangers, and started trying to understand issues, even if they didn’t directly affect me. They are capable of that. It might never work, but they’re not hopeless. I can’t say I’ve ever met someone who would look at anyone else and to their face wish harm or struggle upon them. They might not be immediately comfortable around them, but I can’t say anyone would wish something negative for them.

                  I know people that evil do exist, but I again say that is not the majority of people. Nowhere close to it. If we can’t see the potential of the other third to half of our country, we’re done for.

    • Asafum@feddit.nl
      19·
      20 hours ago

      They aren’t going to put two and two together. To them they earned it by paying taxes, it’s only socialism to them if it’s “free” (which literally nothing is)

  • BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz
    15·
    20 hours ago

    It’s OBAMAS Fault that Republicans under Trump are CUTTING my Food Stamps! MAYBE if I vote for Republicans AGAIN I’ll get them NOT back!

    • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      18 hours ago

      Not too long ago, I got to hear a magamushbrain tell me how Taco was going to “hopefully” fix this terrible Biden economy. He was doing just fine under Biden, as was I (he was gainfully employed, had a house with a fixed mortgage, etc.). I asked him exactly what that meant. He said Taco was working to undo the oligarchy which was Biden’s doing.

      …we are in fucking lala land here, is all I could think to myself. Trying to talk sense to someone that thinks the economy was just fucking terrible under Biden but is now being righted by Taco? WTAF. I could have pulled out charts of the S&P doing the swan dive it did during the time this very conversation happened and it would not have meant anything at all.