• floofloof@lemmy.ca
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    11 hours ago

    And it sounds like mainstream Democrats are aligning with Republicans on this. What a surprise!

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      10 hours ago

      And THERE’S the key that EVERYONE should take away from this.

      Every time Socialism comes close to winning on a national platform, the Democrats scuttle it like they’re a fuckin U-boat. This is the problem. This is why they’re not our allies, they’re the controlled opposition of the fascist party.

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        9 hours ago

        I disagree. The KEY that everyone should take away from this is VOTE IN THE MOTHAFUCKIN PRIMARIES. That’s how NYC elected a democratic socialist candidate to the Democratic Party. Progressives run all the time, but primaries are largely decided by retirees. They’re the reason we always get centrists.

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          Yes! What the Dems have been is history. What voters make it is the future. That’s what primaries are for. So imagine what you want them to stand for and vote for the candidates that fit that vision.

          Everyone should vote in their primaries, even if they can’t make the general. Your vote is higher impact there than in the general election for a few reasons:

          1. The folks who usually vote in the primaries, bless ‘em, are not good at picking winners
          2. Participation tends to be so low that it doesn’t take many additional votes to elect progressives
          3. Progressives are MAGA kryptonite; people will actually show up for them in the general.

          Also voting in primaries is easier, since early voting can often be completed digitally or by mail. You don’t have to take off work. And if you vote in person, you don’t have to be registered beforehand. Just show up to your polling center and they’ll have you fill out a special affidavit ballot that’s submitted in an envelope with your registration info.

          Vote in your primaries people.

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          9 hours ago

          Observation: the party reveals primaries to be a sham, as the party will simply refuse to support any primary victor they don’t like.

          Response: remember to vote in the primaries y’all!

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            What are you talking about? He’s the Democratic candidate now. That’s how primaries work.

            We moved the attendance from 21% in 2021 to 30% and now the Democratic candidate is a progressive. That’s literally all it took- voting in the goddamn primary.

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              You’re completely missing the point. Just because you win the primary doesn’t mean the party will actually support you. He’s still receiving opposition from suburban Democrats, and the party leadership isn’t endorsing him, as would be expected for any other victor of the mayoral primary.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/25/nyregion/mamdani-democrats-schumer-jeffries.html

              He’ll still have the D spot on the ballot, but a lot of the value of the party is having the people of the party behind you. The endorsements, leaders campaigning with you, sharing resources with you, etc. You can win a primary and still be completely shut out by the Democratic establishment.

              This shows the utter sham that “Vote Blue No Matter Who” is. It only applies when it’s a centrist that wins a nomination. When a centrist wins a primary, it becomes the responsibility of every progressive to hold their nose and vote for the corporate pig. When a progressive wins the party, the centrists circle the wagons, refuse to support the progressive, and often support the Republican. Loyalty to the party only goes one way with liberals.

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                They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. He can compare it to Adams’ purse in 2021. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly.

                If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.

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                  Oh you mean like the Bernie scandal?

                  Yeah buddy you haven’t paid enough attention to how the DNC functions. They’ll lie, just like the GOP.

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                    You don’t even know what you’re talking about. The Bernie scandal was over the primary. That’s what Zohran just won. He’s now on the Democratic ticket. He has full transparency with their donor records.

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            In many races, DNC support after the primary is not so important. Remember gerrymandering? How party establishments have generally set up the districts along party lines?