Yeah, it’s one thing to be leery of men because any one of them could be dangerous. It’s quite another to claim that men “tend to” defend rapists and child molesters unless it suits them.
You’re reading wrong into my comment. I’m not annoyed because of the mistrust, I see where it comes from, and I’ve also witnessed some creepers from close by. However, the post literally says “and that’s how men tend to be” in regard to Musk’s behaviour. So it is seen as typical.
Another thing to consider is that I’m not from the US, so the things going on in my country might be a little less extreme. Not that I want to suggest there are no predators over here, but it is different.
I wouldn’t ever criticize women for being wary of men by default, but I would criticize someone for comparing me (and all other men) to fucking Musk. There is a difference between saying “enough men are dangerous that I should assume they’re always a threat” and “all men are the same as one of the most despicable people of our time”.
Maybe by now I’ve just steered clear of enough people on Lemmy that I’m actually seeing these comments, and maybe you were here the whole time, but there has been a noticeable (to me) increase in real allyship from men on here. Just want to let you know it’s greatly appreciated. If you didn’t comment this, chances are a woman would have and the backlash would have been worse. This comment 100% “gets it” and is what solidarity looks like. I was reading a post recently by a woman who is giving up on lemmy because of the rampant misogyny, and I have felt the same at times, but comments like this make me feel so much better about staying.
It’s unfortunate that people can’t exchange lived experiences, because so much of empathy and understanding is locked behind that. For what it’s worth, I believe most men replying here really just want to be given a chance and have their effort recognized, but their comments show a lack of understanding that’s hard to get at.
I was seeing a guy who had “all the right opinions” and we were in a situation where we were going to have to interact with someone who sexually assaulted children. I informed him ahead of time and was as clear as to the nature of this person. My boyfriend talked a big game about how he was going to refuse to engage with such an awful person etc etc. After they met, on our ride back from the event he asked if I could go into detail about the sexual assault this person allegedly did because after meeting him my partner was sure that it was just some kind of misunderstanding. He was sure he could just tell this guy was so nice and would never do such a thing. They got along great. How do you explain to someone that “just asking questions” or “wanting to know the facts” is not the right response, especially only AFTER meeting someone. This kind of interaction feels similar to me because on its own it’s understandable to not want to be lumped in with musk, it’s understandable to want to know all the facts, but in context the pushback is the problem.
My comment is getting a bit off topic, so just generally thank you for being in the comments saying this. It’s refreshing to see it and it’s greatly appreciated.
So when you say humans you mean women from your comment correct? But more men are murdered then women did they deserve it? And if they did how many women deserved it? Because if you think some deserved it that are men the answer for the women would not be zero.
Whining on the internet isn’t one of them. Not tgat im generally against that, but if you want to distance yourself from musk in particular, maybe not the best technique.
I’m a man, and I don’t like it when the behaviour of Musk is viewed as typical men behaviour.
Yeah, it’s one thing to be leery of men because any one of them could be dangerous. It’s quite another to claim that men “tend to” defend rapists and child molesters unless it suits them.
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You’re reading wrong into my comment. I’m not annoyed because of the mistrust, I see where it comes from, and I’ve also witnessed some creepers from close by. However, the post literally says “and that’s how men tend to be” in regard to Musk’s behaviour. So it is seen as typical.
Another thing to consider is that I’m not from the US, so the things going on in my country might be a little less extreme. Not that I want to suggest there are no predators over here, but it is different.
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I wouldn’t ever criticize women for being wary of men by default, but I would criticize someone for comparing me (and all other men) to fucking Musk. There is a difference between saying “enough men are dangerous that I should assume they’re always a threat” and “all men are the same as one of the most despicable people of our time”.
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Maybe by now I’ve just steered clear of enough people on Lemmy that I’m actually seeing these comments, and maybe you were here the whole time, but there has been a noticeable (to me) increase in real allyship from men on here. Just want to let you know it’s greatly appreciated. If you didn’t comment this, chances are a woman would have and the backlash would have been worse. This comment 100% “gets it” and is what solidarity looks like. I was reading a post recently by a woman who is giving up on lemmy because of the rampant misogyny, and I have felt the same at times, but comments like this make me feel so much better about staying.
It’s unfortunate that people can’t exchange lived experiences, because so much of empathy and understanding is locked behind that. For what it’s worth, I believe most men replying here really just want to be given a chance and have their effort recognized, but their comments show a lack of understanding that’s hard to get at.
I was seeing a guy who had “all the right opinions” and we were in a situation where we were going to have to interact with someone who sexually assaulted children. I informed him ahead of time and was as clear as to the nature of this person. My boyfriend talked a big game about how he was going to refuse to engage with such an awful person etc etc. After they met, on our ride back from the event he asked if I could go into detail about the sexual assault this person allegedly did because after meeting him my partner was sure that it was just some kind of misunderstanding. He was sure he could just tell this guy was so nice and would never do such a thing. They got along great. How do you explain to someone that “just asking questions” or “wanting to know the facts” is not the right response, especially only AFTER meeting someone. This kind of interaction feels similar to me because on its own it’s understandable to not want to be lumped in with musk, it’s understandable to want to know all the facts, but in context the pushback is the problem.
My comment is getting a bit off topic, so just generally thank you for being in the comments saying this. It’s refreshing to see it and it’s greatly appreciated.
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So when you say humans you mean women from your comment correct? But more men are murdered then women did they deserve it? And if they did how many women deserved it? Because if you think some deserved it that are men the answer for the women would not be zero.
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Yeah, these are not typical men. They’re narcissists.
Most men are disgusted by predators; however there are a not insignificant number of men out there that aren’t.
Theres a couple ways to fix that.
Whining on the internet isn’t one of them. Not tgat im generally against that, but if you want to distance yourself from musk in particular, maybe not the best technique.
Unfortunately, in some ways, it is.
He is of course also a deranged little freak. But lots of his stuff is normal kinds of deranged.
You might be right, but that is not the claim that was made. Do you know other men who are predators? That was the subject.
No, the meme literally goes;
“Elon did this thing”
“This is how men act”