Hi all! As promised, here is the proposed text of the newest version of the rules. The staff has gone through like eight drafts and literally thousands and thousands of matrix posts to get here, so please be kind. You can see @limeey’s comment on the transparency post if you want more insight into how this sausage was made.
We are opening these rules to commentary from the community before they go into effect. To be clear, this isn’t a vote, but we will take all community feedback into account and answer whatever questions we can before finalizing anything.
Please keep in mind that we are not Reddit, we do not have Reddit’s resources, and safety and consent are our priorities.
I’ll post the draft in two parts in two comments: The new sidebar, and the FAQ/clarifications page.
How does your team distinguish between CNC and hard/brutal BDSM?
Is hard/brutal BDSM allowed or not? (temporarily)
Depends. Is it kink.com, assylum, pascalsubsluts, hookuphotshot or any number of other reputable, aboveboard producers with a minimum number of strikes against them? Probably fine. Is it like some random grungy dungeon with no identifiable people and no way of sourcing? It has probably got to go.
If I’m interpreting your intent correctly, it sounds like you have an issue with (actual) noncon rather than the depiction of CNC in general.
If this is the case, I would suggest rewording the rules to reflect your intent. For example, you could say: “CNC from an unverified or untrustworthy source is not allowed”, although I’m not sure how this affects your stance on fictional/illustrated dubcon/noncon, such as Game of Thrones noncon or CNC hentai.
Otherwise, you run into issues of people (like myself) reporting everything that looks like CNC.
You’re conflating two things. Our ethical stance is against actual noncon. Ethically, we don’t have a problem with CNC as long as it’s actually, verifiably CNC. CNC is prohibited now because of federation issues, not because we have an issue with the depiction of CNC in general.
Once we’re able to keep certain things from federating, whether that’s via @limeey’s NSFW+ tag or some other method, CNC is probably the first thing we’ll phase back in.
So is fictional/hentai CNC and rough/brutal BDSM allowed or not? (for the time being)
Not, and allowed assuming it doesn’t cross over into CNC, respectively. You can consent to being tied up and bastinado’d without pretending it’s NC, after all.
Huh, I do think the separation is harder than you make it out to be.
Technically, any kind of BDSM that necessitates the use of safewords is in the territory of CNC, in the sense that if someone says “stop” and you ignore them yet you do respond if they say “pineapple” – that’s very clearly consensual nonconsent.
Rape play is a subset of CNC, but it’s not the only kind of CNC that’s out there.
I didn’t say it was an easy separation, just that separation was possible. there’s grey area just like any other type of human interaction, but there’s also stuff that is definitely black and definitely white.
Fair enough. Can you contact @Patriarch and make sure that they’re aware of the status of the rules?
The last time the rules were updated, Padded and I argued for a while over rape hentai and I would prefer to avoid that kind of situation unneccessarily.
Please disclose what features you are waiting on, do you have links to merge requests or any opened issues for them?
I have a few on my personal list, but overall this is a much larger project being handled on the developer side of things. There’s a lemmy project matrix chat and more specifically, also a lemmy mod tools matrix chat. You’d want to check in there for the complete list.
Have you got a link? Would like to check them out
https://matrix.to/#/#lemmy_moderation_tool:discuss.online
Okay, im trying to help mod c/brutal and c/humiliation. I like this instance and im really into the content off those communities. (Cant wait for CNC to arrive :) But im not some studio connaisseur, totally willing to educate myself on the subject but ill need some resources to do this right. I can start googling of course but cant you just point me in the right direction?
That’s not really my wheelhouse tbh? I listed a few fairly reputable studios and producers above, but you’d really want a subject matter expert to get into the nitty gritty.
Fair enough,
its not easy to untangle that mess though and i hope if problems arise wih the content posted on of those subs that we can constructivly solve them together with the admins. I would hate to see that content get completely banned.
Sidenote: the stuff i read so far made my faith in humanity a little weaker. Ethical porn shouldnt be so difficult to make and find.