I downvoted maybe half a dozen posts. They were all right-wing bullshit and I realized that’s all the user has ever posted so I got out of there. The next day I see more of his junk and go to downvote but can’t because I’m banned.
Sure it was a dick move to poke the bear about his lifestyle of only posting things that get downvoted, but he. Went. OFF!
Accusing me of alts, thinking I’m obsessed with him, message after message… I probably have more in my inbox right now but stitching this image together took long enough.
I fucking love this picture
Turns out I’m still signed in and Lemmy’s image compression is shit. The week on Lemmy was enlightening and after I post this I will delete my account. Anyway, here’s a re-typed transcript because he edited out some of the weirder bits about milfs but I kept screenshots:
Me: Wait, wait, wait, you can’t be serious! You ban people for downvoting AND every single thing in your community is downvoted? Shit, life must be tough
DMJ: I don’t ban people for downvoting. I ban people for serial downvoting without interacting with the community.
Here’s the deal: That whole thing that ya think is fun, like downvoting every article in a community you don’t like is now starting to be seen as not cool. Lemmy has updated mod tools.
I’m not the only one on Lemmy who thinks this way. More and more mods and admins are getting tired of people trying to control narratives by just going around and downvoting a bunch of stuff at once.
Lemmy admin has updated mod tools just because of people like you. It’s actively talked about now. Look up “serial downvoting” and you’ll see that Lemmy admin has seen a pattern in what you all do and they are putting a stop to it.
Brah, you didn’t read the article, think to yourself, “hmmm, interesting, but some incorrect info. I should downvote because that’s not right.”
No, you didn’t do that. You went, “Fuck this MAGA asshole! Right-wing assholes have no right to be on Lemmy!” And just started downvoting every article. Without reading them. Without giving any thoughts.
You thought that maybe, just maybe, if you and enough people downvoted everything, maybe I would stop posting!
Guess what? Not happening. In fact, the more people downvote me, the more shit I post.
You are perfectly free to downvote anything you want. And I am perfectly free to ban you. See how that works?
And you just inspired me to post a bunch more stuff today. And that whole thing about maybe you should just come up with alts and downvote.
Cool, still won’t stop me. I’m never ever ever going to leave Lemmy. I’m never ever ever going to stop posting articles that I want to post.
Also, my life isn’t tough at all. In fact, I took early retirement, and I can do what I want whenever I want, all day every day. Forever. I get to fuck around on Lemmy. Or go to the pool. Or fuck milfs. Doesn’t matter. Through hard work, I became financially independent and won’t ever work a day in my life for the rest of my life. I’m also healthy and fit as fuck, so man, I am gonna live a really really long time. Ooops.
Feel free to just block and ignore me. Or hey, come up with alts and waste your time downvoting my posts. I’m not going anywhere.
Ever. :)
Me: Ha ha ha your skin is PAPER thin, man. This is neurotic.
Me: [picture of Voyager’s search screen showing “serial downvoting” having 0 search results]
Me: What an asshole
DMJ: Brah, I didn’t invent, nor push for, the tools to ban serial downvoters. Lemmy admin noticed it and has been talking about it with mods. So is there skin “PAPER thin,” too?
You’re the one all butthurt about not being able to downvote shit in a community you don’t even like.
You know, you could just move on and stay away from communites that you hate. You realize that there is more to life than bitching about politics on Lemmy, right?
And you didn’t and won’t bully me off of Lemmy by downvoting. I’m posting more stuff right now, so get your alts ready.
And be sure to click that downvote button really hard! Make sure you can hear that mouse click!
OR you can be the change you wanna see, and create your own community and mod it however you want. And when you get serial downvoters, just let them run free. Nothing stopping you from doing that.
DMJ: Awww, I see you are really mad that I stopped you from downvoting in a community that you hate.
Damn. Hmmm, what can we do about this, I mean, you had such fun trying to control the narrative and bully. And now you can’t. Crap! What can you do.
Well, you can create a bunch of alts, and then go around and try downvoting all over again.
Yeah, do that! I would very much love knowing that you are so pathetic and so pissed off over it that you spend your time creating alts just to downvote posts on Lemmy!
hahahahaha, please please please do that! You wasting your time doing that instead of making real change would be the most hilarious thing ever.
I think we could be friends if you do that. I know you don’t have a lot of friends. I can be your friend.
Wanna be friends now? Want me to hold your hand as you push that downvote button really hard? Would that make you feel better?
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DMJ: you try to portray yourself as someone that you’re not. You act like you’re not petty, you are. Funny how you posted “Lemmy.today and hilariouschaos.com for the same reason” when someone asked what communities or instances do you have blocked to make your Lemmy experience more enjoyable.
You said that you blocked those, but you haven’t. Not only haven’t you blocked them, you actively seek them out to downvote in them. When you get banned and you’re not allowed to downvote in there, you throw a fit. i bet you have a nice long list of alts so you can downvote, don’t ya? And that list is gonna grow today, isn’t it?
Me: Who do you think I am? After a handful of downvotes, you seem to think is your world ending and you ban me. You’re making a huge deal out of this. I’m not even talking about the ban. Whatever. I’m not allowed in your shitty communities anymore. From the looks of the modlog, half of lemmy is banned from the public diaries you call comms. Yeah, I think people should ban those instances, but… DING DING DING, we have a winner! Somebody realized I didn’t block them! Have a cookie. Get it yourself.
I’m glad you love whoever this person you think I am, but leave me alone. I don’t have a list of alts if you don’t count my soon to die lemm.ee account. I only downvoted you a handful of times because you are not worth my time. I’m apparently worth your time though. Paragraph after paragraph of what should probably be a therapy session are now in my inbox and I have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about half the time.
Post, don’t post, I. Do. Not. Give. A. Shit. You’re too scared/banned to post anywhere I care to spend my time, anyway. It’s more than obvious that I don’t need to do a thing for your posts to get the downvotes they deserve. Better go hurry and ban them too! If you want to be King of Lemmy then you better keep banning. Talk about controlling the fucking narrative…
DMJ: you should be happy I banned you, because now you don’t have to deal with me anymore. See? Win-win for you, guy!bYou are worth my time. I think everyone is worthy of being loved. I’m here for you.
Paragraph after paragraph of what should probably be a therapy session are now in my inbox and I have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about half the time.
Oh you can delete those, it’s easy. That way you won’t have to be so troubled by them. I can see that it’s weighing heavily on you. i feel so badd that I send you replies that take 30 seconds to read. How could I?! The horror!!!
It’s more than obvious that I don’t need to do a thing for your posts to get the downvotes they deserve.
You don’t have to do the work then. Others are. you ca be happy now!
If you want to be King of Lemmy then you better keep banning
“Better to be a King in Hell, than a Follower in Heaven.”
Thank you for your life-changing advice. Now we can be friends? Kiss and make up? Come on, let’s be friends. It’ll beeee fun!!
So friends?
Me: I’ve made my last post on Lemmy. Thanks for showing me how open minded and not-like-reddit it is. You sir can have a fantastic day. I will no longer be signing in.
DMJ: I don’t think you should stop posting on reddit. I did just see your post about me in the power tripping bastards community and l posted you a relevant post from that community as well. I feel that you misrepresented it, and make it sound like I am stalking you via DM, I’m replying to your DM’s and you DM’d me first. I have a shot of our entire conversation Don’t leave Lemmy just because you had a disagreement with me. Block me and move on with your day and continue with Lemmy. nothing we have talked about worth quitting over.
Congratulations! You just had a run in with DJM/Universalmonk/BarryGoldwater/ I lost track of the rest of his alts.
I suppose I should count myself lucky that I haven’t heard of/experienced this dude before, what’s their deal?
UM used to post a ton of conservative bullshit, then would get offended when it was downvoted into oblivion, then would go off on unrelated rants and would message people heinous bullshit. We’re talking posting and commenting like it was a full time job. That account got banned, and he created a bunch of alts on other instances to get around it. It was always suspected that DJM was an UM alt, and then was confirmed when he posted one of UM’s rants word for word. Once you know what to look for it’s pretty obvious. Most of the accounts I know of were created on the same day, have the same style of weird AI created avatar (pretty sure they’re made using the Dream app by Womble), and all have some sort of vaguely libertarian sounding quote in their profile.
I think there’s a few posts about UM on fediverse lore as well.
That explains why they accused OP of having alts, every accusation and all that.
Actually no. I have nothing to do with OP or the communities he was banned from. He’s not banned from any of my communities. I don’t have any alt names. I have this name on alt instances, but no alt names. And all my posts on all my instances are public.
It was always suspected that DJM was an UM alt, and then was confirmed when he posted one of UM’s rants word for word.
Word-for-word rant?! I’ve seen others say that too, but I’ve never seen it. Any receipts? I even looked on my own. I am not finding any word for word rant. You have a link to the rant? I have never DM’d any “heinous bullshit.” Again, any proof or links or screenshots? OP is not banned in any of my communities. But if he went in my communites and downvoted a bunch of shit and as he admitted to, “poked the bear,” then I’d prolly ban him too. Like others have been saying and doing.
Off-topic tho. I have nothing to do with OP or the post.
EDIT: Let’s just move on. I’m not the subject of OP’s situation. Unless you have proof of the word-for-word rant that the guy supposedly took from me–then we can keep going. I haven’t seen any of that in his post history tho
That’s not how the disengage rule works. It’s not a trump card to have the last word in.
Fair point. I was trying to keep from a slapfighting removal. It’s a fine line between defending myself, and having the arguments just keep going on. So maybe saying “Let’s move on” would have been more appropriate, I’ve edited comment. I’m not the subject of OP’s post so I wasn’t sure how to defend myself when people say it’s me, but I don’t wanna be accused of a slapfight.
I think defending yourself against libel is OK, but you can just write in the end that you’re not interested in arguing about this further. If they then try to argue with you, just reply with ‘disengage’
Ahhh! Ok, yep, that makes more sense. Edited my comment, and I’ll edit my others as well.
Lemmy.world has been pretty good about blocking the alts as they come up because they like derailing threads, baiting users into breaking rules, arguing pointless semantics, rule lawyering and/or making everything about themselves.
What you are saying is true, just has nothing to do with me. My post history is public.
What’s the evidence these are the same people?
What’s the evidence these are the same people?
I was thinking more about this today. Why would I have two completely different personas on opposite sides of the political spectrum? Why would I post hundreds of socialist and pro-union articles, then suddenly switch and post conservative content under another name? What’d be the point?
Why would I go to all the trouble of sharing so much socialist, anarchist, third-party, and pro-union material if I were conservative? If I wanted to post conservative stuff, I could just do it on my main—and I have, occasionally, when I found something interesting.
DMusk doesn’t even post in places I have been banned, so “ban evasion” doesn’t hold up as an excuse either. I wish I would have made these points in all my discussions yesterday.
What’s the evidence these are the same people?
Notice how this is never answered. There is no evidence, because it’s not true. Why interrupt a good Universal Monk hatefest with logic? lol
They hated UM because he spoke the truth.
Actually weren’t you around back in the day of the original hate too?! Have I lied any of my responses to people here?! I have always advocated for third-party voting, independent thoughts, seeing both sides of arguments, allowing opposing opinions, etc. All my posts are public!
It used to be, ‘Universal Monk is from russia. He posted an article about the Green Party. He’s in Putin’s pocket. He’ll be gone right after the election! Just you wait and see!’ One time a guy posted a chart of all the exact times I posted, looking at the time and decided that I was in Russia in the middle of the night, posting shit to match time zones up with Minnesota daytimes and make it look like I worked 9 to 5 or some shit.
Now they’re saying I’m conservative and all my thousands of posts about piracy, anarchy, socialism, workers rights, etc is just a ploy! A ploy to…to… to… to… Wait! A ploy to rule the world? No. Oh! A ploy to get rich!! No, no one has even heard of Lemmy. Oh I get it! A ploy to spoil the election! Oh wait, election is over, and the number of non-voters far outweigh any third party voters
Oh! It’s so I can ban people for downvoting as I cosplay Don Musk. The fuck are people here thinking?! lol
Actually weren’t you around back in the day of the original hate too?!
On another account on another instance, I swapped to db0 as I liked the way the admin team handles issues, and is pro-piracy.
I remember seeing your posts and going “This guy is at most egging people on who already hate him.” I never once got the idea you supported Trump. You could argue voting third party in a swing state is “Pro-Trump” but if the state is above 60% one party, your vote does not matter on the federal level.
But yeah its just funny people will actively blast you, Return2Ozma, TokenBoomer, EnsignCrab for being right about things, giving accurate quality sources, and then claim because they didn’t also go “Trump is evil too by the way” while posting other things, they’re somehow single-handedly responsible for Harris’ failure at being popular in a national popularity contest.
At this point the people who simp for any political party have been abused into a form of Stockholm syndrome that their favorite out of touch rich person in office likes them more than the other out of touch rich people in office. My area hasn’t changed much from my governor or my president. Its still a rural shithole that has only gotten worse due to the people living here and the management refusing to do something. It has gotten worse, but not because of the political party changing hands.
Genuinely is funny that you have entire groups of people who hate you, write scripts to track you, gather logs to “document your evils” of posting things online, and you just keep going on.
You could argue voting third party in a swing state is “Pro-Trump” but if the state is above 60% one party, your vote does not matter on the federal level.
GREAT point! Now that you mention it, that is where all the talk about me being conservative started. The problem is, people keep repeating that label without the original context. So when someone sees those comments—without knowing the backstory—they just assume it’s true. Then it spreads. A new person comes along, asks why everyone’s talking about me, and others just repeat the same line. As we are seeing happen in real-time in this very thread.
Really good insight, mate. Honestly, I should’ve pointed that out in my replies, but I’d kind of forgotten where it all started. Still baffles me that people think that, in spite of the fact that I created and moderate Socialist Workers Party communities, started anarchy spaces, and run several socialist groups.
Genuinely is funny that you have entire groups of people who hate you, write scripts to track you, gather logs to “document your evils” of posting things online, and you just keep going on.
Right?! Even tho the election was several months ago, they’re still mad that I “threw” it. Me. One guy who voted socialist, ruined all of America. Hmmm, lets overlook the fact that non-voters outnumbered all of us third party voters by a huge fucking margin. Even if all third parties voted Harris, she would have lost. But nah, fuck that logic. It’s my fault! lmao
They never give proof, not even IP addresses. They claim similar writing styles but they aren’t similar at all, beyond using the same language.
Edit: Downvoting another user wanting proof isn’t proof.
Where’s the proof they aren’t the same person?
Have you ever seen Donald J Musk and Barry Goldwater in the same room together?
Doesn’t matter, because I’m not musk or goldwater. Maybe they are the same guy, I don’t care. OP only mentioned the musk mod, so again, off-topic.
Not me. Not my community. Not my issue. I don’t have alt names. I’m on a couple other instances but under this name. I’m not involved or even mentioned in OP, so not sure why you’re bringing me into it.
Wait wtf. I… either you’re a different universal monk…… oooorrrr…. You’ve purged/created a new account.
Well yeah, but looking through their history at zero they… had a change of heart? Math and piracy, not politics and qanon.
Welp, I just got home from work, and I had a rough day, so I can’t stop myself from replying. I’ll do just this one and log off the fediverse for the night.
If you look at the profile of the user you’re replying to, at the top you’ll see they made themselves a banner showing off how other people despise them. This could be a good thing if the people they were bragging about were like… nazis. But this individual has a reputation and they really, really earned it.
If you search ‘Universal Monk’ on the fediverse, you’ll get this at the top, “I’m Calling For the Fediverse to Ban Universal Monk.” It does a deep dive of their other accounts. A lot of what they’re doing in this thread is claiming that they’re super open and honest about who they are (and they’re on an account they’ve curated to not be such a douche canoe) which means you have to look at the other accounts to see what the deal is.
Here’s a link to a call to action on slrpnk calling to ban UM. The post isn’t interesting- the comments are. And after seeing how people make a game out of figuring out the rules of a place specifically so they can be as obnoxious as possible without copping a ban, seeing this behavior in the wild and recognizing it for what it is, sets my teeth on edge. (This is where I would move to the section to talk about evidence of puppetry and such, but I’m choosing not to hyperfocus on this.)
ETA: Okay I couldn’t help myself. I added a bit in a paragraph above, but here is a fantastic bit. This is a comment from auk. It’s under the second link. I’m copy and pasting the relevant bit here. (Auk is speaking to UM.)
You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban, and then made some new accounts and started looking for new places to do it.
I think admins and mods those new places can make the decision about whether that is ban evasion, or whether they want to let you do this all again until you inevitably get banned again sometime later. People have talked with you about why what you’re doing is a problem. Why they would pick that second option is something of a mystery to me, but I’ll leave it up to them. I’m just relaying the information.
It would be a different story if you were just misunderstanding something, and completely open to a conversation about why you keep getting banned and what you can do differently, but you’re clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.
Might be time to re-evaluate now that some time has passed? Sure seems like someone with a grudge against UM created accounts to stir the pot and make them look (very) bad.
Your evidence here doesn’t seem that compelling. The egregious stuff - posting from Breitbart et al, antagonistic trolling comment chains - doesn’t match UM’s conduct anywhere else (suggesting the troll-created-accounts theory for those instances of bad behavior).
And the non-egregious stuff (e.g. having multiple accounts for different instances (I do that) and posting to a community from one, not realizing another account had been bot-banned there) - those seem like the kind of missteps any average person would make under a crazy scenario like this.
I mean, what’s the alternative theory? It was all UM, and they have since COMPLETELY cleaned up their act…so they can do what? More stuff like that someday in the future? That’s a lotta pretty sincere effort for a long time, why bother? Anyone trying to attack and disrupt the Lemmyverse from an ideology/propaganda standpoint would just create new accounts. This sure seems to me like a normal-ass person who just wants to keep their account name and isn’t willing to be bullied off of it.
To be honest, you come across as the vindictive unreasonable one at this point. Not tryna be a jerk, I was curious about all this so I looked at everything you posted, and I came away feeling like you really ought to just move on. Feels like an unhealthy and inaccurate hangup you’re holding onto. But hey I’m just some stranger on the Internet lol, feel free to tell me to go fuck myself, all good!
You’re entitled to your feelings. Doesn’t bother me one bit.
I can remember what I’ve seen and share my opinions on it, same as anybody else. I wouldn’t call that an “unhealthy hangup” so much as “remembering why you don’t care for someone.”
Now, could I continue to make this case? Sure. Could I provide evidence? Absolutely. But I am not going to hyperfocus on this, I’m not interested in running a crusade, and I don’t owe anybody here anything.
I think that would be unhealthy.
Besides, several people here have gone forth with the impression to let someone have a fresh start. That’s a valid way to want to live. I can’t do that, but I won’t try and step on other people trying to believe in the good in people.
If you think I’m an asshole for saying someone has a reputation that they earned, that’s fine. If you think I’m an asshole for saying I think sharing an instance with them is cringe, that’s fine, too. I don’t regret making an attempt at finding someone else saying something I would say, and sharing that, because it wastes as little of my time on an issue as possible.
The more I dig in on something, the higher the risk of hyperfixation on it, and there is nothing to be gained here by anyone if I hyperfixate on why I dislike someone.
I’m trying to engage in this discussion, but do it as lightly as possible, which is why I’m only replying to one reply I get at a time in this thread and move on. (I responded to yours this time. I’ll be ignoring all others here for the rest of the night.)
Thank you! Why would I create two personas that post from totally opposite sides of the political spectrum? If I were actually conservative, why would I post literally hundreds of pro-socialist, pro-union, pro-piracy, pro-anarchism articles? Pro-socialist book reviews. etc. I’m working on getting socialist party more involved in my local union activities. I was part of a union my entire career.
So my motive is to be secretly conservative while I publicly post articles all over Lemmy that are anti-capitalist, pro-socialist, pro-union? Even using Lemmy-logic, I don’t get how people think that I am some super conservative operative. lol
And to your point, even if all the nonsense about me were true, anyone can look at my post history and see that all I do is post anti-capitalist, pro-socialist, pro-union stuff now (always did, but still…), so shouldn’t people be happy they have converted such a terrible conservative to their side? My post history is public, and dates are on there too.
which means you have to look at the other accounts to see what the deal is.
What other accounts? My other main lemmy account was https://sh.itjust.works/u/UniversalMonk account. Posts are public there too.
And I recently started https://feddit.online/u/UniversalMonk And posts are public there too. I also have a xander science one. and I was on vegantheory before it closed down.
All are socialist-oriented and/or third party oriented. My posts and profile for .world is still up to.
Are you forgetting that everyone on .world was mad because I advocated third-party voting BEFORE the election. Back when it was traitorous to say so on Lemmy? It’s cool now, but def wasn’t cool to advocate third-party then.
So what alts are you referring to?! I’ve always advocated third-party voting and always said the duopoly sucks. I mention it in all of my profiles too.
The reason for the alts I mentioned is because you never know when an instance will shut down. Lemm.ee the 2nd or 3rd biggest instance is shutting down. Pefect example. And I used to be on lemm.ee too. profile is public there too.
Here’s a link to a call to action on slrpnk calling to ban UM.
Yep, and they gave in to the mob-rule and banned me. But look at every single post i made on slrpnk. Socialist or solar oriented. The mod actually reached out before he banned me, gave me the reasons (the mob-ruling people) and offered me time to switch my stuff over. So I have no ill-will for slrpnk whatsoever. They were totally cool about it.
I have a special place in my heart for disliking people who account-hop
Again, see the lemm.ee instance shutting down. The vast majority of my posts are from here and st.justworks. Both histories are public.
All you are saying is that people don’t like me. Ok. We know that. I KNOW that people don’t like me because I didn’t vote for Biden/Harris/Trump. I have always said they are the same. And I always will. Proud of the fact that I advocated for third party then, before it was well-accepted.
I don’t wanna turn this into a political thing, but let’s face it. That’s why you and others are mad at me: I didn’t vote for Biden/Harris/Trump and was open about it.
Now having said all that. I have nothing to do with OP. OP isn’t banned from any of my communities. You all turned this in to a UM fest, I am merely defending myself.
ALL my posts from every instance I have been on are public. People are fine not to like me because I don’t worship the teet of the capitalist duopoly. Cool!
But don’t go around making up shit that’s not true like that I’m the guy who banned OP. I have never even heard of OP until this post today. Enough people hate me for real reason, people don’t have to make up stuff. (not meaning YOU specifically, I mean the others talking about alts that aren’t me.)
Also thanks for your posts about threads to ban me. I AM proud of those, because they show in black and white, for all to see, the mob-rule bullying that happens to people who aren’t exactly doing what you want. That’s why they are also in my profile graphic. I’m not trolling, I’m wearing the mob-rule madness as a badge because I’m glad I stood up to you all then, and standing up to you all now.
But I got nothing to do with OP’s situation. I think this is all going off topic, and people should just concentrate on OP’s complaint.
Also the AUK you are talking about uses a bot to ban from his community regardless of if you’ve never voted there, or posted there. The mod logs are full of his bot bans/unbans.
The admin during that conversation disagreed with him.
In fact, I’m not banned from that dude’s comm. I checked just now. lol
No change of heart. All my posts are public here and on .world too. Take a look. You’ll see that I was always third-party. In fact, that’s how the hate started. I was posting articles about the Green Party candidate to the .world politics comm. Then switched my vote over to Socialist Party.
Back in the day, that was considered treason because I wasn’t voting for Biden or Harris. Now Lemmy is cool w third party. Back then, they def were not cool. I was called a russian troll, said I’d disappear after the election, etc. One poster in particular who’s posting in this very thread, used to say I was a russian traitor for supporting third party.
All my posts and comments are public. People are just holding grudges because I didn’t vote for the duopoly. I was proud of it then. Proud of it now. Off-topic though. I’m not the person OP was talking about and OP isn’t banned from any of my communities anyway.
Oh banned from way more places than just .world! I stand by every post though. I proudly stood against the duopoly before standing against the duopoly was cool. I haven’t changed my mind: Third-party forever. Union forever. No regrets!
But off-topic. Let’s not turn this into a UM fest. I had nothing to do with OP or his banning. He’s not even banned in my communities.
ok, don’t care, not my country. you’re singularly responsible for turning this thread into a you-fest. you just need to not reply.
you’re singularly responsible for turning this thread into a you-fest
I didn’t bring my name up tho! I only started responding to people who started saying my name–you included. I didn’t start any of this drama. I’m not even in main OP’s post! He’s not banned from any of my stuff and I’ve never even heard of him
you just need to not reply.
So I shouldn’t reply to a bunch of people making up false shit about me and my motivations?! Nah, I’ll stand up for myself. Thanks for the advice, anyway.
But yes, I’m happy to move on if people stop bringing up my name when I have nothing to do with OP, OP’s situation, and OP is not banned in any of my communities anyway.
I know. Everytime I see they made a dbzer0 alt I cringe but nothing I can do.
Tbh, I don’t give much credence to the reports about Universal Monk. It’s not hard to imagine a couple of trolls spinning up fake “alt” accounts to impersonate him and to get him instance banned over his vote third party stance. You know how unhinged the Democrats get when someone tries to vote with their values.
Anyway, whatever they have been accused of doing in the past, their account on dbzer0 has been pretty wholesome overall. We decided to give him a second chance here. Let bygones be bygones and all that. And so far at least, no problems. Make of that what you will.
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Anyway, whatever they have been accused of doing in the past, their account on dbzer0 has been pretty wholesome overall. We decided to give him a second chance here. Let bygones be bygones and all that. And so far at least, no problems. Make of that what you will.
I’m curious if this plus allowing AI on our own time will get .world to scorn us and call us Tankies, somehow.
You can block/ignore me and you won’t see any of my posts or comments. I had nothing to do with OP and he’s not banned from any of my communities, so off-topic anyway.
Evidentially, you have a bunch of accounts on a bunch of different instances, unless you are suggesting you can somehow block UM@star dot star or something…
- Most of those are people trolls who aren’t him
- He has been public with the accounts he uses
- He has not changed his story once, as liars often make shit up on the fly
- Lots of users have accounts on other instances, no one complains about them.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/32558376?scrollToComments=true
@[email protected] , was that SDF account yours or not?
Evidentially, you have a bunch of accounts on a bunch of different instances, unless you are suggesting you can somehow bad UM@. or something…
I’ve never hid the fact that I am on more than one instance. I gave a list. I’m on here, sh.just.works, and pifed-feddit. Lots of people are. Blaze, one of Lemmy’s most respected and proflic posters has multiple accounts. That’s not in any way against any rules. Every post I have made on every instance is public. I also used to be on .world. My profile is still on there too. Check the dates of my posts, that’s public too.
I use my same username. Same profile. Same content. I can’t ban-evade, because it’s my same fucking name.
OP is not banned in any of my communities. OP has not mentioned me at all. I am not the subject of OP’s complaint. I never heard of the guy.
Very easy to ban my username. Ya don’t even have to do it all at once. Just anytime ya see a post or comment, click ban user. Takes 3 seconds. Never see my post again. Even if I was on 100 instances, it’d be easy.
Notice tho how many here hate me, talk shit about me but haven’t blocked me. Why do you think that is? Notice how they haven’t posted ANY PROOF that I am the other person or any other person. They always give a history of why people don’t like me, or links of people not liking me. But never any proof or valid reasoning that I use different names. Fuck all, I’m here right now posting. I don’t need alt names. I haven’t been banned from here (yet), so why would I need an alt name? I post all over Lemmy, why would I need an alt name? I can ban people right now from communities I have started. In fact, I have banned plenty of people from communities. But not OP.
They say I sent harrasing DM’s. Ok, well as we can see by OP, you can post harassing DM’s. So let’s see some of these harassing DM’s I’ve sent.
They say there was a rant that the musk guy said that was word-for-word mine. Ok, where? I looked but didn’t see that. Never proof how of me being someone else. You know why? Cuz I’m not.
And to the naysayers that will opinion that it’s impossible to prove someone has an alt name, then why bring it up? So is just talking shit about someone you don’t like, in some OP’s non-related thread a cool thing now? Seems bad form to me.
If you wanna think I am someone else, then fine. But it’s not fair to OP to have this entire thread be about me, since he didn’t even mention me.
If someone has a problem with how I mod my communities, and many do, then why don’t they start a fucking post here about me?! Seems like they should have lots of proof and complaints, so yeah let’s start one about me. As we can see by this thread, it’ll probably get a bajillion upvotes about how much I suck. So think of all the good internet points someone can get! lol
But make it a separate one, let’s not hijack this guy’s thread.
Blaze, one of Lemmy’s most respected and proflic posters has multiple accounts. That’s not in any way against any rules.
I am reducing the number of accounts I use thanks to Piefed multicommunities.
It’s fair that if people want to block you, they should be able to do so with one or two accounts max.
I now limit myself to this account and the Piefed.social one.
Feel free to look at my post history. I’m not new, different, or purged. My post history is public: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
Gotta love how people make shit up about users they dislike.
It’s disturbing just how effective this campaign has been. I think part of the reason is that many admins just tend to go along with the consensus when these things are occurring, because it’s easier to take someone’s word for whats going on than actually look at all the details, especially when it’s been playing out over years now. We’ve all been guilty of this.
But the fact is:
- trolls exist
- trolls can use a vpn
- trolls can create an impersonation account and act like an insane arsehole
- trolls can report that account as being an alt of universal monk
Multiply that a dozen times and you have a successful mud slinging campaign to get someone multi-instance banned.
I will agree at time’s UM has been… unsaviory and dickish, but its just bizarre lemmy wants him gone, instead of any of the major players that make other instances horrid. The ones who join places, act like a dick, then cry when the mess gets cleaned up.
I don’t enjoy associating with people who admit that they intentionally antagonize other people so they get in trouble. That really, really, really sticks in my craw. Not understanding social norms or the billions of things that aren’t said in rules, or how some folks can violate things that are and others can’t, is a massive noose around the neck of people who are neurologically atypical, so someone claiming they do those things but ‘only’ against people they deem deserve it is a massive problem for me.
is a massive noose around the neck of people who are neurologically atypical
What does this mean? I’m not being a dick, I genuinely would like to know what you are referring to. Can you explain that a bit more.
I think you’re saying that it’s already difficult enough for neuro-atypical people to process things, so that when you see someone you think is being intentionally annoying, it frustrates you. But I’m not sure how that relates to this thread. Are you talking about shitposting or something else?
You don’t have to explain if it’s upsetting to you or anything. Or DM me if you prefer to keep it private. (I’m being serious, not sarcastic)
Any names in mind?
Rheori (if I’m spelling that right), FreedomAdvocate, SatansMoldyCumFart, and PugJesus has been routinely rude to various instances and then cries when banned for it.
Also various mods of .world have had some of the worst moderation possible. Banning for disagreeing despite evidence proving them wrong.
It’s basically how .ml treats anything about China. Proving them wrong means you’re banned.
trolls can create an impersonation account and act like an insane arsehole trolls can report that account as being an alt of universal monk
Yep! I’m pretty sure I’ve even wrote to admin of this instance to point out when someone started impersonating me. It got to be so many accounts that I stopped doing that though.
At peak UM hate, there were something like 45 instances with my name that were not me. Some guy hated me so much he’d make a list of all the instances, and post it to every conversation I was involved in. lol
Also saw a few fun ones like, “REALUniversalMonk” and “UniMonk” and “UniversalMonksHairyArse” or something like that, but those never lasted long because they’d just get banned immediately when they posted weird ass nazi shit anyway.
It’s pretty much died down recently. Most people know I post just from this one, sh.itjust.works and piefed.feddit. This is my main one tho, because…pirates!
I was on slrpnk, but to your point, a mob campaign started, so the admin there gave me a heads up they were banning and deleting me. Even tho I had never posted anything political at all from that account. But he gave me time to switch everything over before he deleted all my stuff, so he’s cool people.
To be honest, I’m surprised that admins even let my name be started on other instances now!
At peak UM hate, there were something like 45 instances with my name that were not me. Some guy hated me so much he’d make a list of all the instances, and post it to every conversation I was involved in. lol
I recall that, and someone started impersonating one of our users with transphobic trolling shit, talking about pig pet play stuff. Weird as well.
They could just… go on with their lives. Instead they dedicate hundreds of hours into this instead of reading a book, watching movies, playing games, etc.
What a sad person
PTB
OP, could you provide a Ctrl+C Ctrl+V of the conversation? It’s practically impossible to read it from the picture.
Anyway. I don’t think the voting system is the right way to handle this shit; if the mod is a troll (as other comments here say), it’s probably better to gather people affected by the troll, then contact the admins of the instance of the community in question. A few things might happen:
- Admins don’t intervene. Avoid instance, throw shit on the fan, call for defederation, yadda yadda.
- Admins intervene. Problem solved.
Either way don’t interact with the comm. Not even downvoting. You’re basically giving it activity.
Good advice, as usual
taps temple Can’t get harassed in DMs if you constantly forget that they exist.
I think your image needs a few more pixels, I can’t read any of that’s it’s all pixelated
I thought it was just because I have a new bigger monitor and everything is fuckass small now on my computer. Looks like OP messaged the mod first. Looks like he was laughing and dissing the mod, then mod replied but I can’t see for certain. Gave up looking looking and just cursed my monitor until your post.
image of tiny unreadable text:
break accessibility for no reason.Is this a web post for ants?
I read that as “text break” because it was a text break and was very confused
I think I understand: punctuation added.
Looks like you DMed them, and now you’re getting pissy that they went off on you? Don’t be a douche and go bitching in PMs then.
BPR, and judging from the young age of your account, you’re an alt of someone else trying to start shit. There’s no way somebody brand new to Lemmy would know to start a post here after a single week.
Yeah, I thought about a Lemm.ee alt due to the shutdown, but no other account exists with that name.
This is precisely why the fediverse needs private voting, and is the number 1 reason to support Piefed.
And miss this?
I like public voting. Yes, it can be abused by powertripping mods, but it also makes detecting bots and brigading much easier. That’s going to be increasingly important as the fediverse grows.
You really want every post you’ve ever voted on archived forever by every instance on the fediverse? You don’t see any deeper security or privacy concerns with that?
The user agent approach currently used by piefed still makes it easy to detect brigading because the agent is static in the short term. You can ban the agent and you basically deny the user the ability to vote. With a few simple modifications to the activity pub protocol, all individual actions can be cryptographically authenticated without the need for plaintext user strings at all.
The reality is that the plaintext user agents doesn’t even prevent abuse by a rogue instance, since such an instance could just generate infinite users anyway. Piefed actually makes this easier to identify by tracking other metrics for individual user agents, like vote ratios.
Edit: Accidently hit send while I was drafting this, so sorry if you saw it before when it was chaotic.
You really want every post you’ve ever voted on archived forever by every instance on the fediverse? You don’t see any deeper security or privacy concerns with that?
Well, with that history someone could certainly see small impressions of me, like what I like and dislike and how much I engage with different topics. I could only see that being used against my account in these ways:
- For targeted advertising
- To shame me to other users
- To ban me from a community/instance for wrongthink essentially
- To train AI to better impersonate real people
1 seems unlikely to be an issue anytime soon just with the way the fediverse is set up. Unless the host of my account is the one sending ads, the only way to direct ads to me specifically would be through another user account either DMing me or replying to my comments/posts, and I could just block and report that user.
2 and 3 would be more practical concerns, except with or without public voting, they already have a better insight available. Just by looking at my profile, a user can already see my posts/comments, and those are going to reveal much more than voting ever would. So I don’t see public voting making this more of something to worry about.
4 is feasible, as votes are much easier to digest than comments/posts, but really AI is probably already at a level where it could vote like whatever kind of person it intends to imitate already. And honestly, any particular individual’s contribution to big data is going to be almost negligible.
I don’t see any real life consequences for me based on my user voting be publicly available. If someone did want to harass me irl, I would need to first give away enough revealing information so that they could identify me. And in that case, once again, my comments/posts would surely be what would incite them, not my voting. So long as issues are limited to virtual me, I can easily make an alt on the off-chance my reputation in unsalvageable or something.
The tracking with PieFed you described does seem impressive, so I guess the benefits I mentioned earlier aren’t as relevant. I guess I should admit I personally like being able to look at people’s activity and make judgements about them. So seeing their voting history helps satisfy my own nosiness. 😅
No voting at all would be my preference. Piefed is awesome though.
How would you organize content then?
I’d say by new, or just “views.” Like the more people view something, the higher it goes? Not sure, but I just see voting being too onery lately.
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I want to say CLM… If a community really doesn’t want downvotes, why not setup the community on an instance that doesn’t do downvoting?
If downvoting is “manipulation” just because you don’t like it… why allow downvotes at all? Lemmy supports disabling downvotes. It’s a checkbox for the admin. It’s easy.
Because people don’t like instances where they can’t vote but the admin wants their space to be popular while maintaining ideological control.
Good point, but if the admin doesn’t disable downvotes like you are saying, then the mod can’t do anything about that. It would be cool if mods had the ability to disable downvotes.
Then talk with your other mods… close that community and open one somewhere that does disable them. I just don’t buy the excuse in the 3 pixel image from the mod basically blanket saying that downvotes are just for manipulation… Yeah I’d be a loser to go somewhere and only downvote every single thing… but I don’t see how 100% of a single user downvoting literally every item is manipulation at all, everything would go down pretty equally.
I go out of my way to downvote things that I think don’t contribute. I don’t necessarily upvote everything that does contribute, but things that I believe contribute extraordinarily. So if you were to look at my vote history this mod might think that I’m “mass vote manipulating”. That’s kind of crazy to put yourself under such workload to look at all votes like that. If downvote manipulation is the worry, just disabled the downvote or move somewhere that has already disabled the downvotes.
I’m only going by the information that the OP posted. OP did say ‘…so I got out of there. The next day I see more of his junk and go to downvote but can’t because I’m banned.’ and then he goes on to admit ‘Sure it was a dick move to poke the bear about his lifestyle of only posting things that get downvoted’
So it seems like he posted to just get a reaction. And it looks like he dm’d the mod first, making fun of him and mod responded. But neither he or the OP have responded to any of the comments in the thread, so we have no idea of what’s really going on.
Most of my communities are here on dbzer0 and sh.itjustworks, so I have no desire to move. But I did hear that a new update was coming up to allow more tools for mods. Maybe what you are suggesting is in there?
Just checked my inbox… At what point does it become harassment?
EDIT: Well it was a shitty 6 days while it lasted.
I’m pretty sure that user trolls on a bunch of different accounts.
Ignore them the fediverse is much better without them.
Definitely PTB.
OP never suggested that, and never mentioned any alt accounts, so it’s strange you would bring that up.
What do the pixels say?
Donald J Musk. One of the biggest trolls on Lemmy.
I think I see an unironic ‘Brah’ in there.
Listen . . . (shhhh)
To what the troll DM pixels say . . .Ah-aahhh-ahhhh-ahhhh-ahhh-ahhhhhh
I read this in Michael McKean’s singing voice.
Clearly you are someone of refined taste and culture.
7 day old account seems sus.
He hasn’t responded to any of the posts in the thread. Neither has the mod.
Spoiler alert: OP and that mod are the same guy and this is a social experiment in mob-think and he’s just mindfucking everybody.
Spoiler spoiler alert: Everyone thinks it’s me and the three of us are all the same person doing it.
Spoiler spoiler spoiler alert: OP, the mod, you, and me are me, but I’m also most of the comments in this thread because everyone knows I am every Lemmy. Everyone is my alt!! We’re all me! Fuckin’ glorious.
(/s in case not obvious)
All: I get that you all really enjoy busting my balls, and it’s fun to speculate. But OP hasn’t mentioned me. OP is not banned from any of my communities. None of what OP is talking about has anything to do with me.
In this thread (at the time I’m writing this), there are maybe 2 or 3 replies about the actual OP complaint. The rest are about me and how I have ruined Lemmy. Cool story bro, but NOT cool to the original poster.
Have some respect for OP. How’d you feel if you posted what you thought was a valid complaint, then the whole fucking thread devolved into talking about an entirely different subject?
You don’t need to voice ur suspicion that you think I’m the OP or the mod or whatever the fuck latest Universal Monk Eats Russian Cock for Bitcoin conspiracy is or that I am for sure, positive, without a doubt, ok well 90 percent sure every single boogy man you hate. We get it.
Most n00bs don’t give a fuck that I didn’t carefully shave and suck Biden’s nutsack while looking up into his thoughtful loving eyes and saying, ‘I love capitalism daddy Biden, I love it.’ Stick to the subject of OP’s situation, and calm the fuck down. Talking about me seems to be way off-topic.
I’m not the conservative mod that OP is talking about. Why in the world would I have two completely different personas on opposite sides of the political spectrum? Why would I post hundreds of socialist and pro-union articles, then go post conservative shit under another name? Y’all have lost your damn minds.
I constantly see people having a melt down over you…
Who did you hurt haja
Before the US election, I was openly pro–third party. I supported the Green Party, then switched to a Socialist party. At the time, Lemmy was hostile toward anyone not backing Biden and Harris. If you mentioned third-party voting, people called you a traitor or a Russian plant. Since I didn’t vote for Biden, they assumed I was voting for Trump—even though I actually voted for Socialist party.
Lemmy’s more open to third parties now that both major parties have shown their flaws, but the old ‘UM is a conservative’ smear stuck. Never mind that I voted socialist and have posted hundreds of articles on socialism, anarchism, piracy, and third-party politics.
If I were actually conservative like they are saying, why would I post hundreds (literally hundreds!) of socialist and pro-union articles? Wouldn’t that negatively affect any conservative views?!
My entire post history is public on this instance and other instances: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=TopAll&view=Posts
The fuck are people thinking? lol
Also, OP isn’t banned from any of my communities, so no idea why people seem to think the post is about me. OP never mentioned me, and I have nothing to do with OP’s post. So no idea why people are bringing me up in the thread.
Yeah got censored on several occasions for shilling third party as a way to deny the regime legitimacy.
DNC komissars were getting big triggered by it but you must have made an extra strong impression for them to go around to bully you lol
Yeah got censored on several occasions for shilling third party as a way to deny the regime legitimacy.
Some Lemmy’s have short memory and conveniently forget that this used to happen all the time. Now Lemmy is pretty cool with third-party advocacy. But just 8 months ago, it was ban-worthy to say you were pro third-party! lmao
but you must have made an extra strong impression for them to go around to bully you
I never backed down. That made them very angry. They even started a fediverse article titled “I’m calling for the Fediverse to Ban Universal Monk.” Someone posted a link to it in this thread. Even in that though, there was nothing that I did that was ban-worthy.
Seems weird to start an entire post about someone, but ban the subject of the post from being able to reply.
A lot of Lemmy’s like to say they stand for diversity. But they don’t mean diversity of viewpoints.
