Musk has largely given up on the tesla brand, he moved onto AI dont expect any improvements.
See, this is one of the things that drive me batty with so much new hardware.
With an old car, if this happened you’d get warnings. If a door is open your car would warn you and beep occasionally. It was still an entirely functional car.
But now… cars won’t warn you, they stop you. It doesn’t even feel like my car at that point.
Because its not your car just like its not your phone, software, and music.
Great build quality for a six figure car
But if you get in an accident and somehow blame the manufacturer then they could be liable, better to just stop you then risk lawsuits.
The US lawsuit happy culture lead to this imo
Maybe other car companies will go to this but, well, they arent doing this right now. So it would seem that the every other car company did the calculus and they are not concerned about lawsuit risks in this regard.
Another stooge who’s swallowed the corporate propaganda of frivolous lawsuits.
What? It’s a real thing, sometimes it’s bullshit on the manufacturer’s side, sometimes it’s bullshit by the person suing. Regardless a lot of lawsuits means companies try to force as much of the risk onto consumers instead. That’s not corporate propaganda, it’s understandable capitalist bullshit
In older cars you would die from the smallest crashes now they got all these pesky air bags ugh they are the worst
Airbags can deploy (erroneously or not) and the car can still drive.
If a car refuses to move because its airbags have been deployed (or think they’ve been deployed) then you could be stranded in the middle of nowhere for no other reason than a single part of your car is unhappy.
Your frunk can be bodged shut with duct tape.
The entire point of your car is to move from point A to point B. Disabling that feature should only happen due to physics, not a minor problem.
Airbag deploying means the car is totalled usually. It is a catastrophic safety feature that damages everything around. First, you have the airbags out, which interferes with driving. So you’d need to cut them out before continuing. Second, airbags don’t usually pop out of nowhere. 95% of the time, the damage is severe enough that the vehicle shouldn’t drive anymore before major fixes are done. Seatbelts are gone too, since they locked up during the crash and they are stretched / strained enough to not be usable anymore. Third, airbags explode when they are activated, which disorients you as the passenger, makes it hard to see what’s going on. Fourth, many cars automatically disconnect the fuel pump, battery cables to prevent adding more fuel / sparks to a crash already.
Honestly, airbags popping aren’t a “non issue” like you try to make it seem. Call a tow truck.
Wanting to drive with a broken frunk latch = not being able to appreciate the improved quality of safety.
I mean, imagine you ignore the warning, drive on a highway and the hood pops up on you out of nowhere. Just because you couldn’t get it to open doesn’t mean it won’t unjam itself at highway speeds once air gets under it and turns it into a sail. Either blinding you entirely, or ripping off the hinges, flying off and hitting someone else’s windshield - blinding them, or even killing (imagine a motorcycle getting hit by it). I think the hate isn’t justified, maybe other than the fact that they weren’t able to fix it themselves. This sensor should be standard issue on all cars, since this absolutely is an issue with safety.
Imagine if you’re handy yourself, and you decide to either strap it down or make a latch of some sort, and it’s fixed in place. Or even just replace the latch, but it’s the sensor that’s faulty. But you can’t drive it anymore. Instead you have to take it to the dealership and pay out the wazoo to get it fixed.
Yes safety standards are important. People are dumb and would ignore a warning. However, you should be able to disable the speed limiter.
Edit: also you’re acting like you’re refusing my point, but that’s not what I’m saying. You can feel upset about overbearing safety systems and still appreciate safety. It’s like saying “man, that’s a real mean dog” and someone coming back at me saying “Excuse me, dogs are great animals. Do you think the blind shouldnt be able to have eye seeing dogs??”
Imagine you think you are handy and it flies off and hits someone or kills them, or blind you.
If you are handy, you can replace the sensor too. It’s not a good argument to “the latch is broken and someone wants to drive it anyway”. You can fix both. Also you can drive it at 15 mph. This absolutely is a huge safety issue that requires a fix, there is no room for negotiations and “maybe I do this instead, hmm???” - either fix it or deal with it going slow.
A latch is like two bolts and 20 minutes. A sensor is about 4 hours of trying to figure out why the fuck it isn’t working just to figure out that you need to also replace the fuses and a relay thats for some reason behind the console.
I’m at a lost for words over how extremist you’re being at the moment. The frunk isn’t going to fly off, it may fly up and shatter the windshield, but it won’t fly off. I’m not even entirely sure it would fly up with it being entirely stainless steel.
And even if it does, it would probably be the least dangerous thing on the road. If you want to be extremist, every car should have a breathalyzer, eye sensors to make sure you’re not on your phone or falling asleep, and you should have to renew your license with a driven test every other year.
In fact, cars shoudnt even exist. At any point, someone could drive into a crowd and there’s no limitors to prevent that.
Great slippery slope, going to fallacies and trying to excuse a very dangerous thing on the road.
It is extremely dangerous to drive with an unlatched hood / frunk. End of story. No amount of negotiation from your side changes that. The sensor absolutely has its place and you have to look for edgecases where it still doesn’t make sense to not have the sensor.
is that supposed to be a portmanteau of “front” and “trunk” because I hate it
Yes. It’s reasonably commonly used for electrical cars.
It’s been common (at least in my area) since the OG VW Beetle
Car is not a gangster.
Originally German.
Yes but OOP really made it insist upon itself as they say in the family guy
Example in pop culture https://youtu.be/e66SLE1Cbcs?t=84
It’s like this vehicle really hates being a truck. Really? A governor on an electric vehicle when the “frunk” is open. Well I guess that’s another weakness to this seemingly unstoppable “beast”. Rest hay on the little vents for the air suspension located in the bed because there’s no air filter, open the frunk and let it break itself, and for good measure, put a fence in front of it so it punctures the cooling system when it collides into it.
Its interesting they are again trying to twist a word in their favor.
Cybercuck gets cyberfucked
Hah, your dumb car is all “frunked” up
love to see it
I’m still waiting for textures to load in. Lighting model needs some work too.
Wait, you need to be towed if the “frunk” doesn’t close all the way???
Yes, and for a reasonably good reason.
If the rear trunk lid of a car doesn’t latch shut, the wind will blow it back down. It might obscure the view from the rear window but the side mirrors should still allow rear view, so it’s not a serious safety hazard. If the hood, or frunk lid, doesn’t latch shut, wind might get under it and blow it open, completely obscuring forward vision. This is why, on most cars, the hood is secured with not one but two latches, and the “second” one that can hold it partially closed is just a lever with a big spring that holds a pawl over a pin. Simple doesn’t fail.
This worked fine for decades, because the engine compartment has always been a kind of “back stage” area. Less care for how the trunk latch felt and sounded was put into the design because you’d only open it to service the engine. But now electric cars don’t have engines there, so that volume of the vehicle gets re-used as a cargo compartment, and thus requires a latching system that the chai latte-est pair of yoga pants is willing to operate. So it has to be motorized with a motorized latch. And because adding that much electrical shit to the system means chance of failure skyrockets, you also need an interlock that can stop the car from driving with the hood unlatched so it doesn’t blow open on the highway.
Being made by Tesla also means the chance of failure skyrockets again.
Well if you rephrase it for a normal car it doesn’t sound so absurd. “If your hood won’t latch the car won’t let you drive at highway speeds?”
A failed latch on a front compartment can be very dangerous because it catches the wind if it opens suddenly at 60+mph. At best you are blinded, or it gets torn off to go flying into a car behind you.
As such, highway speeds should be restricted if the latch is malfunctioning. The real problem here is that Tesla doesn’t like dealers because they want that middleman money for themselves, so you often have to drive quite the distance to get it repaired. If this were a vehicle from any of the other major manufacturers most people are probably only a few miles from their nearest dealer.
Normal cars have two hood latches. Your primary latch (that you open with the hood pull in the car) and a secondary safety latch (when you reach under the hood to open it fully) so this problem is an extremely uncommon problem for a normal car.
But since this is a frunk it gets opened a lot more for storage and users would probably not be very happy about having to deal with the secondary latch on a regular basis. So they have motorized those latches for ease of use, and motorizing them adds a lot more points of failure.
That’s the issue here. It’s so automated that if even the slightest thing goes wrong, the vehicle goes into a mode that makes it difficult to continue, though not impossible. I wouldn’t have chosen to get towed in this instance, since it still drives, but had they been on a highway, it would have been dangerous/illegal to continue at 15 mph. It feels like this was a design decision made without considering the consequences.
I’ve seen what happens when a hood opens at highway speed. No one was hurt, but that driver probably filled their pants, if you know what I mean.
Coincidentally, I repaired the latch on my car today. There was enough grime on the bearing that the tension of the spring wasn’t enough to retain the hook screwed to the hood. Unscrewing the whole latch, cleaning the grease off and spraying some WD40 on it to prevent it from rusting fixed that right up.
It’s such a simple mechanism that the whole fix took 10 minutes, and it’s the first and only time that ever happened, after 125.000 miles.
It got stuck on a trip, the hood opened a little, right up to the second hook you mentioned, so I used some speed tape to hold the hood down and be extra safe until I made it home to fix the underlying issue. This option doesn’t exist on the ridiculous mess that is the Cybertruck.
It’s not that the idea isn’t right, it’s that they tried so hard to make it overly smart, but failed in almost every aspect.
You likely already know, but just in case (and for any readers who don’t know).
WD40 is a water displacement compound and so acts as a degreaser and rust softener. It strips the oil and crap off a part, letting it move. It also strips the protective coating off as well. It will rust rapidly without this.
If you use WD40 you need to follow up with replacement oil, or other protection and lubricant. Without it, it will seize up again quite quickly.
I thought about adding a comment, but eventually got lazy. But you’re right - I also always make a point of reminding people WD40 is not a good lubricant, so I should have added that, PSA and all.
So, for the record: in this case, I followed it up with an all-weather synthetic chain oil since the stuff I have on hand does have excellent corrosion protection and does in fact lube the bearings in my particular latch mechanism, while lasting.
Thanks for bringing that up.
I’ve seen too many bicycles destroyed by this over the years. People clean them off in the autumn , then wonder why the gears are rusted to hell in the spring.
I’ve some relatives who always did this to things, then complained about it. It made me a little… reactive to it.
Reading isn’t hard… If the front truck isn’t properly latched the vehicle’s speed is limited to 15 mph. Technically you can drive it to the service center.
Depending on distance to the service center this could be quite impractical. Tesla doesn’t have that many so its expected to be some distance away if an issue occurs.
Apparently it is because most people are morons.
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