• silly goose meekah@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    so the past 50 years of the gaza strip being bombed by israel have not brought death and desctruction to gaza? that’s ignoring the constant blockades and other restrictions israel put on gaza as well.

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      1 year ago

      lets not forget the blockade by egypt too, even jordan at one point wanted to kick out and backtrack citizenship for all descendants of palestinian refugees

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        I mean, the main start of the conflict was over 70 years ago. I’m not sure if Israel really comes out looking that much better.

        They unilaterally declared themselves a state and ended up expelling over 700k people from their homes. They even utilized biological warfare, poisoning wells with typhus.

        While there have been crimes against humanity committed by both sides, the reason people focus on Israel is that they are in the sole position of power. Palestine has no way to barter or negotiate, and when all other forms of discourse are eliminated, then the only option is violence.

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          Arab nations forced hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their homes and into Israel when the Brits controlled it.

          Israel accepted the UN proposal for a two state solution, giving Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine.

          Palestine rejected it and launched a war against Israel with the help of Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iran in an attempt to eliminate the Jews in Israel.

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            Arab nations forced hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their homes and into Israel when the Brits controlled it.

            Israel did not exist under British rule… are you talking about the blockade of Jerusalem in 47? I don’t think you know what you are talking about, there were only 500k Jews in all of Palestine when the British were in charge. And a lot more Palestinians were displaced during that conflict than Jews.

            Israel accepted the UN proposal for a two state solution, giving Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine.

            Yeah… That’s why people were upset. The Jewish population made up 1/3 of the population, and owned only 7% of the land during the mandate, but we’re given 56% of the country, which just happened to be the most valuable land.

            Of course people are going to be pissed, a minority group was just awarded the majority of the country for free.

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                1 year ago

                Clearly not, as he said this was an operation when the British controlled Palestine. Magic carpet happened in 49’, two years after the initial outbreak of violence.

                We were discussing the initial cause of the violence, not one of its results.

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        1 year ago

        Truth be told, I am not old enough to have cared about issues like this pre 2010. So what exactly do you think justifies israels behavior here? What happened before 2010 that shows that Palestine is the aggressor?

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            1 year ago

            Well, fair enough, in this comment chain nobody justified Israels behavior.

            I know Hamas has been hiding behind civilians and children, and Hamas are absolutely disgusting. Definitely. But I think it’s necessary to acknowledge that bombing civilians to get rid of terrorists is counterproductive. IDF is almost certainly creating more terrorists than they are killing by doing that. I’m sure some of the civilians already want to destroy Israel, but I think most of them get indoctrinated when joining Hamas after seeing how friends and family keep getting killed by IDF.

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      1 year ago

      “It is kind of more complicated than that” when it is really not!

      let me just start with this postulate:

      • palestinians: natives
      • israelis: colons

      Should I add than one is heavily militarized and has control over infrastructures?

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        That’s wrong though. Palestinians and Israelis both stem from ancestors from the area. You could even say that at least in Jerusalem the Palestinians came later.