Monthly News – October 2023 – The Linux Mint Blog
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  • Steve@lemmy.todayEnglish
    36·
    1 year ago

    Some positive news for a lot of Linux Mint users who have been complaining about the lack of Wayland support. However, as the blog post listed, it’s only going to be experimental in the next major update of Version 21. Still, it’ll be good to experience the change.

    Also, very clever on the naming schemes used by the Debian and Mint teams for their stable and unstable releases.

    • Petter1@lemm.ee
      6·
      1 year ago

      Funny times: while one distro kicks Xorg overboard, another distro finally includes Wayland as experimental.

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          12·
          1 year ago

          Which is not a distro nor a display server but, like kde and gnome, a desktop environment. They are actively working on wayland support as can be seen here: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap

          So just for clarification 😇

          And I recognized now that this post was about cinnamon desktop environment, which comes with mint distro, and not the distro itself. So the comparison to GNOME would have been more fitting from my site (they’ll drop Xorg support soon, but still let it be installed in post).

          So, yea, and then there is XFCE where we have no real clue when Wayland support is completely ready. But it seems like it could work with something called xwayland that seem to kinda emulate Xorg on wayland 🧐

          • miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml
            6·
            1 year ago

            Oh yeah, I was just mentioning them in general. The most exciting feature of their last big release was being able to change the clocks’ font.

            I trust XFCE to bring in new features only when they are 100% sure it’ll work perfectly. That DE has been nothing but rocksolid for me, and I greatly appreciate that.

            Though to push them a little bit, Xorg certainly has flaws when it comes to security, and since pretty much no one will make the effort of working on these flaws anymore, Wayland should be a higher priority for any distro or DE.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 year ago

      I was perfectly confident that the Mint team would get around to Wayland support, when it was good and ready. By the time they get it implemented and set as the default, it’ll work great.

  • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
    211·
    1 year ago

    I like the careful approach. Yes, it’s going to take longer. But when it finally arrives, it’ll work.

  • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
    201·
    1 year ago

    I seriously don’t understand the Wayland hate. I’m running it on all my machines that run displays with the exception of my HA panels running on Raspbian.

    Even my work laptop is Ubuntu, Nvidia, Wayland.

      • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
        1211·
        1 year ago

        It’s here on Lemmy, too.

        I was down to like -50 on a thread about an X11 vulnerability and all I wrote was, “Imagine still running X.”

        • Atemu@lemmy.ml
          233·
          1 year ago

          I’d downvote that comment too. It adds nothing to the discussion and is deliberately confrontative and superficial.

        • ditty@lemm.ee
          01·
          1 year ago

          I really think some of the Linux crowd on Lemmy are way too sensitive and liberal with downvoting. That’s a perfectly fine comment to make. I imagine a friend saying that to me in real life and obviously it’s just an inoffensive joke/jab that shouldn’t be taken at face value.

          • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
            11·
            1 year ago

            It’s not like I give a flying fuck about downvotes regardless but when it comes to Wayland the X11 folks are just wrong. It’s time to move on, and bitching and screaming isn’t going to make the developers come back to fix it. It’s Weekend At Bernies, the display manager.

            Shut the fuck up, install Wayland, and help submit bug reports and make it better. It’s the future.

    • cybersandwich@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 year ago

      I am excited about Wayland. I’m just waiting on PopOS to run it as the default. I’ve tried using it but I was getting hard locks when I left my computer idle for a while.

      The logs made it seem like it was a Wayland issue so I switched back to x11 for now. It hasn’t happened since.

      I imagine most people don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other. They just want their distro and em to work well.

      • Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        Wayland has worked better than X.org in my experience.

        I tried i3 with Compton and Picom - both compositors for X.org - and it had major rendering issues, both on AMD (weird lagging) and NVIDIA (colour issues). Meanwhile I tried Hyprland on a spare PC and it provides a great tiled WM with both form and function. If anything’ll get me on a tiled WM, it’ll be Hyprland now. I’m also looking forward to Wayfire. We need a spiritual successor to Compiz.

        • cybersandwich@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          I’m glad to hear it. I am ready to start using it. The architecture is so much more modern and secure. I’m assuming(hoping) Cosmic will be on Wayland when it’s launched.

    • Kramt@lemmy.world
      41·
      1 year ago

      My only issue with it currently is global hot keys. Push-to-talk on discord only seem to work when a xwayland window is in focus.

      • chaorace@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        8·
        1 year ago

        What I’ve done instead is configured a desktop hotkey that toggles the system-level microphone mute. Two birds with one stone: foolproof PTT and on the same hotkey regardless of Zoom/Meet/Teams/Slack/Discord (consulting is fun)

        • Atemu@lemmy.ml
          3·
          1 year ago

          In the meantime (how many years did it take Discord to update their electron to a not-quite-as-ancient version the last time?), one thing I’d like to see here would be the option to allow listening to global keypresses for certain apps. Yes, that makes security slightly worse I guess but I’d rather have all the other benefits of Wayland working for me while this one isn’t working yet.

      • pixelscript@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        My sticking point with Discord in particular is that, at the moment, it’s allergic to file drag and drop under Wayland. If I want to drag and drop a file attachment, I have to open the file explorer dialog and drag onto that.

        This is more of a Discord being sluggish to update problem than a Wayland being unstable problem, but it’s still extremely irritating.

    • Petter1@lemm.ee
      2·
      1 year ago

      What Remote Desktop tool works for you in Wayland? Found none Working well on Wayland (Maybe I did something wrong when I tried VNC and RDP)

      • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
        41·
        1 year ago

        The only time I RDP is to my Windows machine for gaming and I’ve had great success with Remmina

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          2·
          1 year ago

          Oh, yea, was thinking the other way around: I want my GNOME session streamed to an iPad, that I can use on the couch. (OpenSuse tumbleweed)

          • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
            11·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, can’t help you there. I use Firefox tab sync to send browser sessions to other machines so I don’t feel the need to RDP into anything to keep a train of thought going.

            • Petter1@lemm.ee
              1·
              1 year ago

              I see, of course for browsing the web, I would still use a local browser on the iPad. I would use the remotes session for learning different linux/coding things, where SSH is not enough, while I’m not gone in the bureau for several hours but sharing the evening with the family.

          • chaorace@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            6·
            1 year ago

            In the Steam Link app, you have the option to select “Start Streaming” without picking a specific game. This will stream the screen as it is without binding to a specific window.

            The main caveats here are as follows:

            • Requires a working pipewire & desktop portal configuration
            • Depending on desktop portal & settings, you may need to manually click through the screensharing request modal on your desktop at the start of each connection
            • The Steam client must be installed and running on your Linux machine in order to receive connections
      • Potajito@feddit.ch
        1·
        1 year ago

        Remmina or krdc work fine for me. Also parsec (no hosting there though). Oh if hosting, I’m not sure, but moonlight/sunshine work fine for me, even if it’s not the usual desktop sharing app.

    • PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1·
      1 year ago

      I’ve tried. KDE Plasma on the 4k external screen is giving me big black blocks to the right of windows I move or for the launcher… Like a shadow. Flickering trails of black block shadows if I move windows around. The latest nvidia driver did finally fix the mouse leave trails of black boxes, though. No idea if it works for Gnome, I can’t stand Gnome’s layout, workflow, and window management.

  • Holzkohlen@feddit.de
    12·
    1 year ago

    It was always just a matter of time. A LOT of time in the case of anything wayland related apparently.

  • NX2@feddit.de
    132·
    1 year ago

    This is important when windows inevitably dies (subscription-based Windows 12?!) and linux mint gets flooded. Better have the “new” thing from the start

    • Cralder@feddit.nu
      153·
      1 year ago

      Windows won’t die what are you talking about? Windows 12 subscriptions are a) just a rumor and b) not for the entire os, just certain features like AI and stuff

      • samsy@feddit.de
        3·
        1 year ago

        I heard there will be a ”windows 365". If windows goes full online like office 365 then the underlining OS could be everything Linux.

      • s_s@lemm.eeEnglish
        41·
        1 year ago

        Windows is already dead.

        Just a matter of time until people realize they’re on a dead platform.

        • Cralder@feddit.nu
          2·
          1 year ago

          You know like 70% of desktops run Windows right? That’s not what I would call “dead”. Almost every company out there uses Windows on their computers.

          Don’t get me wrong, I would love it if Windows died but there are no signs at all of that happening any time soon.

          • rish@lemmy.ml
            2·
            1 year ago

            They did write "Just a matter of time until people realize… " for clarity. 💀

  • M137@lemm.ee
    6·
    1 year ago

    I often reread stuff while imagining I’m someone with no knowledge of the topic, the title of this post is a good example of how hilarious things become.

  • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
    6·
    1 year ago

    Anyone know where the sources for this are? I can’t find many references to Wayland in the main Cinnamon repo, at least using GitHub’s search.

    I wanted to check if they use wlroots for this or are writing yet another compositor from scratch.

    • Patch@feddit.uk
      1·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think there are many “compositors from scratch” are there? GNOME and KDE both have their own, Cinnamon uses a GNOME fork, and almost everything else I can think of is wlroots based. The only other one I can think of which isn’t is Mir, which has been around almost as long as Wayland has.

  • CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee
    2·
    1 year ago

    Can someone explain to me what Wayland is? I don’t fully understand I read wikis on it but I’m still new to a lot of this

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    Its about time! Finally, I’ve been waiting a long time for this.

    I wonder what will happen with the mate desktop? I know xfce is getting wayalnd support so mate might be the odd one out