I know you probably don’t want to hear this, but from a biological standpoint, it’s the same thing. Different female animals have their “own” names aswell, like Ewe (female sheep), Sow (female Pigs), Hen (female Chicken), Doe (female goat), Mare (female horse) etc. Same thing for humans - we just happen to call the female ones “Woman”.
That’s not a “biological standpoint” it’s a social one. We invented the names for animals. And there’s more than one word for female horse because it was useful for us to differentiate foal/yearling/filly/mare, and males get an extra one if they’re castrated.
Speaking of inventing names for things: biological sex is not the same concept as gender even though they are very often aligned and used interchangeably. It’s just people who don’t know enough about anthropology and biology lack the full context to understand that.
Those are different things tho, mostly seperated by age.
Foals are baby horses (roughly equal to “baby”), yearling are young horses (roughly equal to “kid”), fillys are young female horses (roughly equal to “girl”) and mares are adult female horses (roughly equal to “woman”).
biological sex is not the same concept as gender
That’s why I specifically said “from a biological standpoint”. I’m well aware that some people may choose the opposite gender so it differs from the biological sex.
From a biological standpoint, there is no such thing as a woman, just like there is no such thing as a fish or a vegetable from a biological standpoint.
“From a biological standpoint” you’re still wrong because the real world isn’t simple. There’s more chromosome options than XX/XY. There’s various disorders that can cause people to develop in ways contrary to their sex chromosomes. There’s chimeras, intersex, people born missing parts of their body.
“Biological sex” is a convenient simplification like “there are three phases of matter” or the concept of tidy electron orbitals.
Exactly. And that’s what they are. Disorders. That doesn’t mean it breaks the status quo. If 100 people are born with two arms and one person is born with three, we don’t go around saying “humans can be born with 2 or 3 arms!”. No, we still say that humans are born with two arms.
Trying to extend definitions to include every possible whim of nature is completely futile.
If 100 people are born with two arms and one person is born with three, we don’t go around saying “humans can be born with 2 or 3 arms!”.
What? Yes we do. Only about one out of every hundred people is born with red hair, and we definitely say that humans can be born with red hair. If one out of every hundred people was born with three arms, we would absolutely say that some humans are born with three arms. We certainly couldn’t use having two arms in our definition of human
I get the sense that you don’t have nearly as firm a grasp on language and communication as you think you do. You explicitly made reference to a hypothetical situation in which 100 people are born with two arms and 1 person is born with three, and then made a statement about how we would act in that hypothetical situation. If your entire point was that a shockingly small fraction of the population is born with three arms, you should not have used a nearly 1% proportion in your hypothetical.
But also, the proportion of the population doesn’t even matter. If some humans are born with three arms, then you have to acknowledge that humans can be born with three arms. You can say that humans are typically born with two arms, but trying to define human as something that’s born with two arms would be factually incorrect.
You can’t help but say a wrong thing in every single comment
I’m well aware that some people may choose the opposite gender so it differs from the biological sex.
Nobody chooses their gender. That’s kind of the whole thing with dysphoria. If a trans person could simply choose to be the gender that matches their sex, they wouldn’t have dysphoria
Okay, you’re getting kinda annoying here. I was talking about biological genders and you start talking about dysphoria, which has absolutely nothing to do with that. I just have the feeling you are trying to derail the conversation to bitch about things I never even talked about.
I’m not going to respond to any other comments of you, but I do wish you a nice evening. :)
You brought up the concept of people being able to choose their gender. You think dysphoria has absolutely nothing to do with the interplay between a person’s gender and biological sex? Hey by the way, “biological sex” is the thing that you talk about for a person’s physical body. If you feel that people are misunderstanding you, maybe you should use the right words.
You can always choose to simply not leave comments about things you don’t know anything about. I highly recommend it
You still haven’t defined “female,” you’ve just written paragraphs and paragraphs of behavior that you usually associate with female animals, while acknowledging that there are male animals that also exhibit those behaviors.
That’s female, not woman, but it was a nice try
I know you probably don’t want to hear this, but from a biological standpoint, it’s the same thing. Different female animals have their “own” names aswell, like Ewe (female sheep), Sow (female Pigs), Hen (female Chicken), Doe (female goat), Mare (female horse) etc. Same thing for humans - we just happen to call the female ones “Woman”.
That’s not a “biological standpoint” it’s a social one. We invented the names for animals. And there’s more than one word for female horse because it was useful for us to differentiate foal/yearling/filly/mare, and males get an extra one if they’re castrated.
Speaking of inventing names for things: biological sex is not the same concept as gender even though they are very often aligned and used interchangeably. It’s just people who don’t know enough about anthropology and biology lack the full context to understand that.
Those are different things tho, mostly seperated by age.
Foals are baby horses (roughly equal to “baby”), yearling are young horses (roughly equal to “kid”), fillys are young female horses (roughly equal to “girl”) and mares are adult female horses (roughly equal to “woman”).
That’s why I specifically said “from a biological standpoint”. I’m well aware that some people may choose the opposite gender so it differs from the biological sex.
From a biological standpoint, there is no such thing as a woman, just like there is no such thing as a fish or a vegetable from a biological standpoint.
“From a biological standpoint” you’re still wrong because the real world isn’t simple. There’s more chromosome options than XX/XY. There’s various disorders that can cause people to develop in ways contrary to their sex chromosomes. There’s chimeras, intersex, people born missing parts of their body.
“Biological sex” is a convenient simplification like “there are three phases of matter” or the concept of tidy electron orbitals.
Exactly. And that’s what they are. Disorders. That doesn’t mean it breaks the status quo. If 100 people are born with two arms and one person is born with three, we don’t go around saying “humans can be born with 2 or 3 arms!”. No, we still say that humans are born with two arms.
Trying to extend definitions to include every possible whim of nature is completely futile.
What? Yes we do. Only about one out of every hundred people is born with red hair, and we definitely say that humans can be born with red hair. If one out of every hundred people was born with three arms, we would absolutely say that some humans are born with three arms. We certainly couldn’t use having two arms in our definition of human
Which is significantly more than people having a third arm.
Yes, but they’re not. That’s the entire point.
I get the sense that you don’t have nearly as firm a grasp on language and communication as you think you do. You explicitly made reference to a hypothetical situation in which 100 people are born with two arms and 1 person is born with three, and then made a statement about how we would act in that hypothetical situation. If your entire point was that a shockingly small fraction of the population is born with three arms, you should not have used a nearly 1% proportion in your hypothetical.
But also, the proportion of the population doesn’t even matter. If some humans are born with three arms, then you have to acknowledge that humans can be born with three arms. You can say that humans are typically born with two arms, but trying to define human as something that’s born with two arms would be factually incorrect.
You can’t help but say a wrong thing in every single comment
Nobody chooses their gender. That’s kind of the whole thing with dysphoria. If a trans person could simply choose to be the gender that matches their sex, they wouldn’t have dysphoria
Okay, you’re getting kinda annoying here. I was talking about biological genders and you start talking about dysphoria, which has absolutely nothing to do with that. I just have the feeling you are trying to derail the conversation to bitch about things I never even talked about.
I’m not going to respond to any other comments of you, but I do wish you a nice evening. :)
You brought up the concept of people being able to choose their gender. You think dysphoria has absolutely nothing to do with the interplay between a person’s gender and biological sex? Hey by the way, “biological sex” is the thing that you talk about for a person’s physical body. If you feel that people are misunderstanding you, maybe you should use the right words.
You can always choose to simply not leave comments about things you don’t know anything about. I highly recommend it
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Behold, a woman
You still haven’t defined “female,” you’ve just written paragraphs and paragraphs of behavior that you usually associate with female animals, while acknowledging that there are male animals that also exhibit those behaviors.
How do you define female?
And from a linguistical standpoint on the other hand…
… which I’m not talking about.