• ManixT@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Nice job completely ignoring the key difference between the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and the rest of those agreements: an alignment with Nazi Germany to STEAL LAND! Just like fascist Russia is doing again with Ukraine.

    “Under the Secret Protocol, Poland was to be shared, while Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and Bessarabia went to the Soviet Union. The protocol also recognized the interest of Lithuania in the Vilnius region. In the west, rumoured existence of the Secret Protocol was proven only when it was made public during the Nuremberg trials”

    You can try to re-write history all you want, but the Soviets/Russians were in alignment with Nazi Germany to further their imperialistic goals.

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      The soviets did what was right in order to protect polish jews and their own citizens from the german hordes. The nazi troglodytes made it extremely clear that they were going to attack the Soviet Union and leave nothing but scorched land behind them on their way to Moscow. Which they eventually did. The Soviet Union did the only smart thing at the time, which was to create a buffer zone while they were consolidating their military forces in order to eventually fight back against the germans, instead of just making the libs feel nice and letting the nazis take the entirety of Poland, as they were planning to anyways.

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        3 days ago

        No they didn’t. They were opportunist imperialists who stole land to build their empire and subjugate people. Stop trying to whitewash the atrocities committed by the Soviet Union.

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          Those are no atrocities. The Soviet Union managed to save a ton of jews from the nazi hordes. In fact, most jews that stayed behind died in the Holocaust. The biggest group of jews that survived the holocaust were those deported from the frontlines by the soviets.

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            Are Jews the only people in the world? How the hell can you say there were no atrocities unless you are completely ignorant of soviet history or are pushing a made up socialist fantasy propaganda? The soviets subjugated millions of central and eastern Europeans and murdered and deported countless people in their ethnic cleansing schemes. I suggest you read up on the NKVD and the forced population transfers and actually speak to people who lived under forced soviet rule - it fucking sucked.

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              I’m Eastern European. I think I know my fair share of people who lived in socialist countries. Gladly, we’re not all willing to swallow fascist capitalist propaganda.

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                1 day ago

                What country do you live in and when were you born? Do you consider yourself as having Russian heritage?

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                  No. I do not have Russian heritage, nor does my family. I’m Romanian, with a bit of jewish and Czech ancestry. I was born in the 90s. My family is working class. As were my grandparents, and their parents, and so on. Peasants and workers. Always lived in Romania

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                    I was born in the 80s and live in Estonia. What the soviets have done is inexcusable. The mass rape, stolen land, families broken apart and people deported from their homeland. It is not propaganda. These things happened and every family has their own horrific experience to tell you.

                    The world deserves less suffering and it is not going to come at the hands of the Russians.