• Angry_Autist (he/him)@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    If she things she ‘worked’ to get to Heaven, she doesn’t understand salvation

    It is a gift

    We don’t follow the rules to ‘get into heaven’, we follow the rules so people can see the public face of Jesus in our works, it is sometimes the only gospel people see, and we have a lot of regressive assholes to make up for

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      17 hours ago

      Works or grace has been debated for ages, no idea if the Catholics have found consensus though

      • Angry_Autist (he/him)@lemmy.world
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        6 hours ago

        Yeah it’s been debated, but for no reason because it is a gift that cannot be bought or justified.

        You say this like it’s unsettled when both a plain reading of the text as well as even a cursory understanding of Hebrew temple sacrifice culture makes it clear that the only thing that salvation hinges on is a sincere desire to accept it as a gift from Jesus.

        The REASON it has been argued is that there are some intellectually dishonest religious leadership that want people to work harder for no reason

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          to work harder for no reason

          I think the reason might be money. There’s very little money in, “Here’s some free salvation for you!”

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        Since the counter-reformation, about.

        Salvation is a gift, freely given, but we can separate ourselves from that grace by choosing to do terrible things. How much you want to consider doing good things Work is, I guess, a matter of perspective but most Evangelicals certainly view it as us saying you’re saved by works.