• Droechai@lemm.ee
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    16 hours ago

    Works or grace has been debated for ages, no idea if the Catholics have found consensus though

    • Angry_Autist (he/him)@lemmy.world
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      6 hours ago

      Yeah it’s been debated, but for no reason because it is a gift that cannot be bought or justified.

      You say this like it’s unsettled when both a plain reading of the text as well as even a cursory understanding of Hebrew temple sacrifice culture makes it clear that the only thing that salvation hinges on is a sincere desire to accept it as a gift from Jesus.

      The REASON it has been argued is that there are some intellectually dishonest religious leadership that want people to work harder for no reason

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        3 hours ago

        to work harder for no reason

        I think the reason might be money. There’s very little money in, “Here’s some free salvation for you!”

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      6 hours ago

      Since the counter-reformation, about.

      Salvation is a gift, freely given, but we can separate ourselves from that grace by choosing to do terrible things. How much you want to consider doing good things Work is, I guess, a matter of perspective but most Evangelicals certainly view it as us saying you’re saved by works.