Element is a good alternative, OpenSource and federated
Cool. I’m out then.
soooo, honest opinions of discord users here: hows matrix nowadays? what are the other options?
It really depends on how you use Discord. Matrix was never trying to be a Discord alternative so for some usecases it’s fine, but for a place to hang out with your friends and play video games it’s not.
Element x is pretty solid but not perfect, matrix-rust-sdk needs to have desktop clients, servers need to support all the new stuff, I give element 5 years before it’s a top tier messenger
Byeeeeee
I quit discord a year ago for Matrix or XMPP. never looked back.
Please give me a federated, self-hosted Discord alternative! I’m tired of these bullshit platforms.
Not federated, but Revolt can be self-hosted and is very similar to Discord in the look and feel from what I have seen (I have it installed, but haven’t tried getting friends to install it and am not hosting). So it could be worth looking into for folks that are used to Discord.
It’s not federated, the developer is specifically against federation. He didn’t even support self-hosting properly and officially, until the community made pullrequests in this regard themselves. Revolt is mainly made to be hosted by the developer himself. Probably just another Discord. Open-sourcing the code doesn’t do anything.
Good to know information, I haven’t looked into it beyond installing it to see how similar it was. Still could be a starting point for some folks that have the option to self-host and more specifically have large friend groups that have issues with only liking the UI of Discord. A very specific scenario for sure, but still nice to have options if one like that were to happen.
The downfall of discord
facebook does the same thing, except also requires a photo ID too. it seems alot right wingers have migrated to these 2 platforms so they can control narratives better, better off staying away from these platforms.
How am I going to rip on them until they have aneurysms if I’m not on there too?
No.
I cant even get in my discord because I never get the verification email. Each time I have to contact customer support. F that platform.
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The hacker known as lemmy
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I don’t remember it like that at all. I saw lots of complaints about the privacy impacts and how ineffective it would be.
The app will ask users to scan their face through a computer or smartphone webcam; alternatively, they can scan a driver’s license or other form of ID.
comes in response to laws passed in those countries that place guardrails on youth access to online platforms.
Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on there. Any expectation of anonymity on Discord, a social network, is not warranted. Ask any number of users who’ve been prosecuted based on evidence turned over by Discord. It’s also US-based
I mean. . . It should be up to the parents to protect and educate their children. It is very easy to set up protections on a computer to either not let them use discord or to not allow them to install it.
That’s a false dichotomy. Parents can and should protect children. Social media sites can and should protect children. It’s in the social interest. Parents don’t have control over every device a child has access to. Firewalls at schools and libraries are often lackluster
Personally I won’t use a site that wants to scan my face. My computer doesn’t even have a camera.
I am also not going to upload a scan of my ID. We are on Lemmy for goodness sake. Clearly I care at least a little bit about my privacy.
It seems to me that there is no good way to ensure that children are kept away from content they shouldn’t have access to without serious privacy concerns.
I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification or we need actual data privacy laws in the US with some teeth. As it is right now it’s basically a guarantee that your ID and facial data will be in a breach eventually. Seems like every site will require this once it starts.
I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification
Yep. Probably a billion dollar idea if you can execute it properly. These laws are spurring competition
I think most peoples’ facial data is already for sale and breachable/leakable
Why shouldn’t young children be able to use Discord? I have kids and want them to be able to use it to chat while they play games with friends and with me.
I’ll try to keep them to only chatting with people they know until I think they’re mature enough.
I have kids too. I’m not singling out Discord here, just pointing out they’re trying to follow the law.
Young kids and social media are inherently a bad mix. Primarily because it promotes antisocial behaviors and they cannot effectively comprehend and consent to the privacy polices and TOS. Hence why adults need to be involved in account creation.
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Correct, I don’t really want 12-year-olds commenting here either. Do you? Genuine question
Though Lemmy instances are largely public. You don’t need an account to view their contents. So that’s pretty different from Discord
For the record, I do think the laws will apply to Lemmy instances
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Interesting. I think most users would assume they’re talking to other adults and might change their language or behavior if they thought they were conversing with children
Age is anything but arbitrary from a law perspective. With these laws there is no expectation of privacy in regards to age. I’d argue there never was, it was just poorly enforced and got normalized
the creators of the laws requiring said guardrails should be held personally accountable for every piece of information that gets leaked as a result of their bs “think of the children” arguments.
The moment this becomes an obligation for each person, no matter what, I’ll just quit Discord. I’m tired of stuff like this.
If people want to do bad stuff, they will find a way no matter what anyway.
there’s already real time AI aging filters, once they realise this doesn’t work it’s going to be IDs next, i’m so sick of this bullshit
if a kid wants to find porn, they’re going to find porn, no amount of laws is going to stop them, but the more laws there are the more safe websites and online spaces to explore the new feelings will be inaccessible to them, leaving only the worst possible resources to be exposed to as they discover their sexuality. people writing those laws behave as if they’ve entirely forgotten how it was to be a teen, nor have met a teen in decades
I mean at least in the US the median congressional age is 64.7 so yeah gramps doesn’t remember being that age much less having internet access. Doesn’t consider that you can’t find porn mags in the woods anymore.
And “porn” means anything pro LGBT
people downvoting you need some more context i believe
conservative leadership’s bigotry isn’t just all yelling about gay frogs, there’s subtlety to some of their tactics. Two things are happening at once here - banning of sexual things, harsher punishments for sexual offenders, broadening the definition of what sexual offences even are, and sexualisation of LGBTQ folks, fearmongering, “think of the children”, implications that transgender people are all perverts (why else would bathrooms or drag queens story times be such big issues?). queer people are being pushed back into the margins, just their mere existence is being pushed to be viewed as “erotic” and “inappropriate for children”
though obviously LGBTQ people are not porn, i hope that goes without saying, the same people who want to ban porn are the ones working very hard to paint queer people as somehow innately “adult only”
Out of curiosity, why go out of your way to not capitalize correctly? Like ‘I’ has to be easiest in any autocorrect.
i don’t have autocorrect on, i also don’t subscribe to the idea that there is a “correct” way to speak or write, languages are tools used for communication, if you can understand me without effort then i used the tool successfully
i do capitalise things when it matters, for various reasons; to make a sentence easier to read, to show respect, to avoid a word being confused for a typo. but overall i just like the look of small letters better
Very peculiar perspective denying the already established language standards of punctuation and capitalization… Autocorrect exists to show you the “corect” way.
For anyone raised in a standard education system, there is effort to read comments like that. We’ve learned to pause, exclaim, incur emotion, and apply tension, all through punctuation and capitalization. Your comments are read as breathless long-winded statements for those of us who still subscribe to language standards…
Thanks for the response, though.
that’s how my thoughts sound, that’s how i like my writing to look, i don’t care if not everyone likes that, you’re allowed to not like things
For a brief moment, I had a a FB/Instagram account for testing purposes. After about a week, Meta started asking to see my face on camera. Needless to say, that experiment hit a brick wall.
I was just following and liking stuff here and there. Didn’t even post anything, but apparently that was suspicious enough for Meta.
A Trump photo in front of the cam.
They thought of that. It has to be a video and you have to move your head around as if you’re setting up face ID. Not creepy at all. Then again, this is Meta we’re talking about, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise.
A 3d-printed Trump bust
Okay but now you have to explain the disembodied trump head you hide under your bed.
Only to my lawyer after the police show up with a warrant.
“don’t worry it’s for a shrine”
i’m sure ai can help with that
in my experience liking stupid pages, and political news pages, and sometimes giving various reactions to posts helps. did that for a few weeks last year, but decided that this experimentation does not worth my time
Same, I still use it at around 15% of my own peak usage, if this gets beyond the testing phase, i’m out as well. Never trusted discords ownership and bussinessmodel, and observing their behaviour the last 4-5 years really cemented that as accurate. Bye, I won’t miss y’all.
Future headline: “Discord users begin testing Discord alternatives”
Maybe we can all go back to AIM
It’s proprietary and centralized. No practical difference. IRC and XMPP are the way.
Already started. Revolt seems like it could be a near 1 to 1 replacement soon.
Too bad team speak hasn’t released their updated server files.
I’ve never quit using teamspeak but I’d never see it as an alternative for the chatting functions of discord (neither private or server wide). Calling and screensharing on it is superior for sure, chatting is garbage.
Embedded matrix client and Teamspeak client in a webpage? Selfhost it.
I’m sure it can’t be that hard. I’m planning on rolling out something similar, if it works I’ll like the source code here.
I’m not a technical person, can’t be bothered for that. In the end for tools like this its important non-tech people can also use it
This is something that I feel like should be at the top of every single tech related community. Not everyone is a techie and they shouldn’t have to be to exiat in the modern world.
We really need more people working on tech that both has great privacy but also simplicity. Currently you always have to pick between convenience or privacy. Everybody that keeps pushing self hosting doesn’t get that not everybody has the skills or time to set that up.
I work in IT, I do QA, I write test automation code, I setup CI/CD pipelines but the moment you put me on networking stuff I’m done, gg well played. It’s a whole new skillset so if I as someone who grew up and work in a technical job has a hard time with it don’t even think its going mainstream.
This 1000%
