He is definitely a Trump fanboy, I really don’t care about Trump that much - it’s OK to see things differently. I personally cringe at that community too, but they are not breaking our rules. My personal views have nothing to do with it.
I think it is an insult to anyone who has had to endure the horrors of nazi concentration camps, to make that comparison so loosely. They were nothing like what is happening today in America, not even close.
I’m not going to dive into actual US politics (are Republicans nazis, are the Democrats nazis, etc) since I’m not even American and that’s a cesspit I have no business in. Depending on who you talk to, someone else is always the nazi. What I can say is that our instance has clear rules on the type of content we accept, just like everyone else, and we certainly do not tolerate “nazi” content, such as calls for violence, racial discrimination, ultra nationalism, etc. You will not find anything that resembles that.
On a human level, I agree with the points you make. I certainly wouldn’t want you to subject yourself to content you don’t like either, and Lemmy has come a long way to give users control over what they see. All I’m pointing out is that HC would welcome anyone under the same rules. We are no more a Republican instance than we are a Democrat one. I can’t control if people agree or disagree with you, but I have no tolerance for personal attacks, for example. You will find that starting a community on HC would really be no different than starting a community somewhere else.
If people legitimately wanted HC to be a different instance, then they would join it and transform through their own content, to the point where it becomes majority. But people do not want that, it’s easier and more convenient to point the finger and accuse us of being baddies.
They were nothing like what is happening today in America, not even close.
Trump has been sending Venezuelans to a prison in El Salvador that claims to have “expanded” in order to hold them all, but satellite imagery just shows them digging a big trench. That feels pretty damn close to me.
I personally cringe at that community too, but they are not breaking our rules.
Yes. That’s the issue with your instance. That is your decision, and why people tend to shun you and have no interest in making communities there to “transform through their own content.” Why would anyone go to the Nazi bar when there are others?
Besides: If I started a community on HC which was devoted to posting your name and home address, talking about you and your daily life, and constantly amping up totally untrue nonsense about you (on a similar truth scale to what can be found on your instance about the people who are being “deported” right now, or about sub-Saharan immigrants’ impacts on European countries where they go), I have a hard time believing you’d be so committed to free speech. But because, instead of it being you in direct personal danger (even of a pretty mild theoretical “I feel queasy about this” type), it is merely a bunch of Central and South American migrants in the US in direct personal danger (of an extremely severe and realized type), you’re okay with it. In the name of “free speech.”
If you disagree, DM me your name and address, and I’ll start that community and we can see how long you’re in favor of it. I am curious if your uncaring nature towards who might be endangered by this type of “free speech” applies to you, or just to hundreds and thousands of American Hispanic or Muslim people (soon to progress, I am sure, to the rest of us). I’m completely serious. I promise not to post any personal attacks, calls for violence, or racial discrimination.
I think it is an insult to anyone who has had to endure the horrors of nazi concentration camps, to make that comparison so loosely.
Who said I was making it loosely? I can point you to actual concentration camp survivors who in 2016 were saying that Trump’s way of doing things was eerily similar to Hitler’s. They were pretty qualified about making the comparison, for beyond-obvious reasons, but they said the overall pattern was terrifyingly similar. All his enemies are vermin, not even human, everyone is lying about him, he’s going to save the country, we have to be vicious in dealing with all of these traitors who are threatening our way of life. There’s no other way. Trust me. Everyone else is lying, they lie all the time, I’m telling you the truth. Put me in charge. I’ll fix it and punish the guilty, because they’re so guilty, you wouldn’t believe, but with me in charge, finally you’ll be safe and happy. But I’m going to have to be ruthless to get it done, because they’re such murderous dangerous elements that nothing else will do. Trust me. Give me power and I’ll get it done. I promise. Trust me. Give me power forever.
And now, we have in addition to ICE detention facilities, a big secretive mega-prison where random innocent people are being sent, and the ruling regime is saying it has every right to do that, to them and to anyone who displeases it for any reason. Including very notably a lot of their political opponents, who are enemies of the state.
Yes, it is 100% a concentration camp system. It’s even, for now, for one designated particular racial grouping almost all of the time. And yes they mean to accelerate putting people in them, and they are building more. There is an extremely important reason why they are resisting any judicial oversight or legal basis for what they’re doing, and why ICE has started doing this stuff in plain clothes in hurried secretive snatch-and-retreat operations and circumventing and explicitly challenging the usual branches-of-government restrictions on their power.
It is no way an insult to anyone who lived through the camps to say it is happening again. It is giving weight and memory to what they went through, amplifying in some cases their own firsthand words, by doing everything we can to stop it now happening again, before it reaches the same level that the Third Reich was able to scale it up to.
are the Democrats nazis
Pull the fucking other one.
I don’t know, man. You’ve got a right to be clueless about American politics if you want. I have a hard time believing that, at this point, that kind of cluelessness could stem from anything but a deliberate desire to be clueless. Or maybe, you are just lying about what you believe because you know that self-identifying as a Republican isn’t going to work, so you feign ignorance about what’s even going on. That, honestly, seems more plausible to me than that you want to run an instance where US politics is a key defining feature but you “have no business” in “that cesspit” of US politics.
(Is there anyone in the world who is this ignorant about the difference between saying “Democrats are Nazis” and “modern Republican regime is Nazis”? I kind of doubt it. What is happening is global news at this stage. It’s not politics anymore, any more than World War 2 was politics.)
I thought about typing up more but I feel like that’s enough. Racial discrimination and ultranationalist propaganda is incredibly easy to find on your instance. Calls for individual violence, I didn’t see, but clear violent behavior like snatching some innocent person from the street and sending them to turbo-prison forever because the ultranationalist leader said to is easy to find. Is this not enough to say?
On a human level, I agree with the points you make. I certainly wouldn’t want you to subject yourself to content you don’t like
I mean, the people in this thread are exercising their free speech to do exactly that: To announce to each other that your instance contains content no one here wants, that alarms them because of its criminality, dishonesty, and connection to real present danger to them. You decided to make it that way. That’s what happens in a free society sometimes, is that everyone decides someone’s an asshole because of what they hosted and who their colleagues are. Good luck with your strategy.
I hope this doesn’t come across as hostile. I’m just talking, honestly, like you are. Free speech. I don’t really know where you’re coming from, which is why I give you the respect of taking some time to really try to express what I mean about this and why you are getting a negative reaction. I think there’s at least a chance that you actually mean what you say and what your thinking is on this, so I’m just trying to explain in detail why people are going to continue to shun you and yours for as long as you are doing this. Hopefully that makes some sense.
Where on HC have you seen anything that even remotely resembles doxxing? We will ban anyone with impunity for anything of the sort. Where have I said otherwise? I have always pointed out that we have rules around content, and everyone has to agree to them when joining HC. Personal attacks in general are not tolerated, let alone calls to violence or doxxing - that’s an insane take to suggest otherwise.
You are making some very disingenuous correlations.
I’m saying that your content directly endangers the lives of people in the United States. That’s not at all a “disingenuous” correlation. It is an illuminating one.
I’m saying you would react differently if it was directly affecting your safety, in the same way that for example “El Salvador Blocks Sen. Van Hollen’s Visit with Deported Illegal Alien” directly endangers Garcia’s safety by deliberately misleading people about his legal status (such that a lot of the US really can’t tell up from down on that issue as well as many others, which will mute the effort to try to get him back before some really bad things happen to him if they have not already).
This kind of lying on the internet and in the press used to just be for fun and profit, but now it’s really gotten developed to weapons-grade and become deadly serious. That’s why people react so negatively when you host it. I’m not saying at all that anyone should host anything that endangers you personally. We should all be safe. I’m saying that your alarmed reaction at the idea of being doxxed should also apply to the idea of published professionally-crafted excuses for armed thugs wandering the streets of the US snatching people up and doing whatever they want with them.
Sure. Up to you. I’m just taking some time to try to explain why I think people have such a negative reaction to your instance, if you’re interested to hear it.
He is definitely a Trump fanboy, I really don’t care about Trump that much - it’s OK to see things differently. I personally cringe at that community too, but they are not breaking our rules. My personal views have nothing to do with it.
I think it is an insult to anyone who has had to endure the horrors of nazi concentration camps, to make that comparison so loosely. They were nothing like what is happening today in America, not even close.
I’m not going to dive into actual US politics (are Republicans nazis, are the Democrats nazis, etc) since I’m not even American and that’s a cesspit I have no business in. Depending on who you talk to, someone else is always the nazi. What I can say is that our instance has clear rules on the type of content we accept, just like everyone else, and we certainly do not tolerate “nazi” content, such as calls for violence, racial discrimination, ultra nationalism, etc. You will not find anything that resembles that.
On a human level, I agree with the points you make. I certainly wouldn’t want you to subject yourself to content you don’t like either, and Lemmy has come a long way to give users control over what they see. All I’m pointing out is that HC would welcome anyone under the same rules. We are no more a Republican instance than we are a Democrat one. I can’t control if people agree or disagree with you, but I have no tolerance for personal attacks, for example. You will find that starting a community on HC would really be no different than starting a community somewhere else.
If people legitimately wanted HC to be a different instance, then they would join it and transform through their own content, to the point where it becomes majority. But people do not want that, it’s easier and more convenient to point the finger and accuse us of being baddies.
Trump has been sending Venezuelans to a prison in El Salvador that claims to have “expanded” in order to hold them all, but satellite imagery just shows them digging a big trench. That feels pretty damn close to me.
Yes. That’s the issue with your instance. That is your decision, and why people tend to shun you and have no interest in making communities there to “transform through their own content.” Why would anyone go to the Nazi bar when there are others?
Besides: If I started a community on HC which was devoted to posting your name and home address, talking about you and your daily life, and constantly amping up totally untrue nonsense about you (on a similar truth scale to what can be found on your instance about the people who are being “deported” right now, or about sub-Saharan immigrants’ impacts on European countries where they go), I have a hard time believing you’d be so committed to free speech. But because, instead of it being you in direct personal danger (even of a pretty mild theoretical “I feel queasy about this” type), it is merely a bunch of Central and South American migrants in the US in direct personal danger (of an extremely severe and realized type), you’re okay with it. In the name of “free speech.”
If you disagree, DM me your name and address, and I’ll start that community and we can see how long you’re in favor of it. I am curious if your uncaring nature towards who might be endangered by this type of “free speech” applies to you, or just to hundreds and thousands of American Hispanic or Muslim people (soon to progress, I am sure, to the rest of us). I’m completely serious. I promise not to post any personal attacks, calls for violence, or racial discrimination.
Who said I was making it loosely? I can point you to actual concentration camp survivors who in 2016 were saying that Trump’s way of doing things was eerily similar to Hitler’s. They were pretty qualified about making the comparison, for beyond-obvious reasons, but they said the overall pattern was terrifyingly similar. All his enemies are vermin, not even human, everyone is lying about him, he’s going to save the country, we have to be vicious in dealing with all of these traitors who are threatening our way of life. There’s no other way. Trust me. Everyone else is lying, they lie all the time, I’m telling you the truth. Put me in charge. I’ll fix it and punish the guilty, because they’re so guilty, you wouldn’t believe, but with me in charge, finally you’ll be safe and happy. But I’m going to have to be ruthless to get it done, because they’re such murderous dangerous elements that nothing else will do. Trust me. Give me power and I’ll get it done. I promise. Trust me. Give me power forever.
And now, we have in addition to ICE detention facilities, a big secretive mega-prison where random innocent people are being sent, and the ruling regime is saying it has every right to do that, to them and to anyone who displeases it for any reason. Including very notably a lot of their political opponents, who are enemies of the state.
Yes, it is 100% a concentration camp system. It’s even, for now, for one designated particular racial grouping almost all of the time. And yes they mean to accelerate putting people in them, and they are building more. There is an extremely important reason why they are resisting any judicial oversight or legal basis for what they’re doing, and why ICE has started doing this stuff in plain clothes in hurried secretive snatch-and-retreat operations and circumventing and explicitly challenging the usual branches-of-government restrictions on their power.
It is no way an insult to anyone who lived through the camps to say it is happening again. It is giving weight and memory to what they went through, amplifying in some cases their own firsthand words, by doing everything we can to stop it now happening again, before it reaches the same level that the Third Reich was able to scale it up to.
Pull the fucking other one.
I don’t know, man. You’ve got a right to be clueless about American politics if you want. I have a hard time believing that, at this point, that kind of cluelessness could stem from anything but a deliberate desire to be clueless. Or maybe, you are just lying about what you believe because you know that self-identifying as a Republican isn’t going to work, so you feign ignorance about what’s even going on. That, honestly, seems more plausible to me than that you want to run an instance where US politics is a key defining feature but you “have no business” in “that cesspit” of US politics.
(Is there anyone in the world who is this ignorant about the difference between saying “Democrats are Nazis” and “modern Republican regime is Nazis”? I kind of doubt it. What is happening is global news at this stage. It’s not politics anymore, any more than World War 2 was politics.)
I thought about typing up more but I feel like that’s enough. Racial discrimination and ultranationalist propaganda is incredibly easy to find on your instance. Calls for individual violence, I didn’t see, but clear violent behavior like snatching some innocent person from the street and sending them to turbo-prison forever because the ultranationalist leader said to is easy to find. Is this not enough to say?
I mean, the people in this thread are exercising their free speech to do exactly that: To announce to each other that your instance contains content no one here wants, that alarms them because of its criminality, dishonesty, and connection to real present danger to them. You decided to make it that way. That’s what happens in a free society sometimes, is that everyone decides someone’s an asshole because of what they hosted and who their colleagues are. Good luck with your strategy.
I hope this doesn’t come across as hostile. I’m just talking, honestly, like you are. Free speech. I don’t really know where you’re coming from, which is why I give you the respect of taking some time to really try to express what I mean about this and why you are getting a negative reaction. I think there’s at least a chance that you actually mean what you say and what your thinking is on this, so I’m just trying to explain in detail why people are going to continue to shun you and yours for as long as you are doing this. Hopefully that makes some sense.
Where on HC have you seen anything that even remotely resembles doxxing? We will ban anyone with impunity for anything of the sort. Where have I said otherwise? I have always pointed out that we have rules around content, and everyone has to agree to them when joining HC. Personal attacks in general are not tolerated, let alone calls to violence or doxxing - that’s an insane take to suggest otherwise.
You are making some very disingenuous correlations.
I’m saying that your content directly endangers the lives of people in the United States. That’s not at all a “disingenuous” correlation. It is an illuminating one.
I’m saying you would react differently if it was directly affecting your safety, in the same way that for example “El Salvador Blocks Sen. Van Hollen’s Visit with Deported Illegal Alien” directly endangers Garcia’s safety by deliberately misleading people about his legal status (such that a lot of the US really can’t tell up from down on that issue as well as many others, which will mute the effort to try to get him back before some really bad things happen to him if they have not already).
This kind of lying on the internet and in the press used to just be for fun and profit, but now it’s really gotten developed to weapons-grade and become deadly serious. That’s why people react so negatively when you host it. I’m not saying at all that anyone should host anything that endangers you personally. We should all be safe. I’m saying that your alarmed reaction at the idea of being doxxed should also apply to the idea of published professionally-crafted excuses for armed thugs wandering the streets of the US snatching people up and doing whatever they want with them.
I think this is a good example of something we will have to agree to disagree on.
Sure. Up to you. I’m just taking some time to try to explain why I think people have such a negative reaction to your instance, if you’re interested to hear it.