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Wish we wouldnt use AI
Perfection is the enemy of progress. Way to derail <3
This is like talking about awareness and then driving away in a Tesla. The people who are feasting upon our institutions made AI. The same people we are protesting that infested this regime.
There are always the snobs that prefer nobody else be doing shit either so they can feel even more superior.
It was a critique, not a tear down.
It’s distasteful, but a useful weapon. We need ways to create content that is good enough and really fast to make. A grassroots movement doesn’t have the funds to pay marketing teams to do our work for us.
AI is being used every social media site the world over to hamper discourse, embroil people, to enrage people…
I don’t know of another way to combat it except with more AI. Maybe at some point people will completely get off of the internet with the thought “There’s no real people on the internet any more”.
You poison it and you dont use it. That’d how you fight AI. With tarpits and poison. They’re like Mentats.
yeah the identical styles get old real fast
Its also the weapon of the enemy.
“Hey look, it’s Steve! …oh wait.”
Where’s AI? Is the whole image AI or just the art?
The whole image.
You’ve improved my AI detection skills, thanks.
But you seem to be ignoring the message.
Perfection is the enemy of progress. Organize, don’t just argue
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Imperfect allies are not enemies.
I’m not. The message is good. But its spouted from atop the corrupted bloom of our stolen labor.
If you know the post is AI and you don’t delete the post, that is tacit endorsement of using AI as a propaganda tool. You seem unbothered by that.
I do ignore the message if the medium is artificial. I won’t bother to read the image’s text or attempt to process the intent if I know the delivery is not genuine. I’m not going to waste my time or sully my brain by valuing and evaluating something posing as human expression.
You want me on your team? Don’t send a robo singing telegram as a recruiting tool. Convey your message like we’re humans instead of speaking through a fundamentally false impersonator. I don’t ask you to be a perfect human — I ask that you and your messages are genuine if you want me to listen. Trickery isn’t used to gain allies; it’s used to exploit the unwitting.
Whoever coined the phrase “it’s not my job to educate you” is top of my rogues gallery. If you want democracy to succeed, it is literally your job to educate everyone you can about the things you are passionate about and the changes you wish to see. I get where it came from, I understand the feeling, but it’s the worst possible phrase in the context of trying to make a political change.
“It’s not my job to educate you” led to Prager University
If you don’t, someone else will.
It really didn’t. Maybe 10 people said it because they were being harassed by concern trolls, while the rest of us continued to engage in conversation with people who seemed like they might genuinely be confused.
Like literally just do a web search for your question and you will be on better footing when you ask it.
Like I felt offended the first time I heard “my culture is not a costume” but I actually did some reading / thinking before I started bothering people with questions like what??? or even banditos?? or what about mummies?
Yeah I mean I can understand not everyone wants to be an educator, especially of more ignorant people but when people say this I do wonder why they are even talking. I usually speak to people because I am interested in learning from them or because they’re interested in learning from me. This is the purpose of human communication. If you aren’t interested then the obvious solution is to stay silent.
I can understand not everyone wants to be an educator, especially of more ignorant people but when people say this I do wonder why they are even talking.
Exactly. If you’re not willing to try and educate someone you disagree with, insulting them is no substitute (in fact it’s pretty much the worst course of action re the presumed desired result), just keep quiet, or alternatively go talk to others who already agree with you so you can stroke each other’s egos, lol.
I first started seeing this on reddit (who knows where it actually came from though) which I believe schools its users to want to say SOMETHING, ANYTHING for attention and engagement. I agreed with or rather understood its meaning at one point but this phrase along with has “let me Google that for you” has fostered an abysmal internet culture. I think a much more servicable and sympathetic version of what this phrase was once trying to say, when said in good faith, should be “its not my responsibility to engage with this post right now”, which isn’t spoken aloud but is applicable to everyone online, and which I find myself thinking more and more when a comment makes me groan. The problem is how driven we all are to say SOMETHING, ANYTHING for attention amd engagement. I think it was a valuable realization at the time that felt so good to fire off uncritically on Twitter that people really hurt themselves, others, and the internet’s culture when they did.
Imperfect Allies Aren’t Enemies
- Critique to build, not tear down
- Organize, don’t just argue
- Movements win, not individuals
- Perfection is the enemy of progress
- Ego kills movements
- Plan for the long game
- Meet people where they are
- Power doesn’t care about feelings
- Division is a weapon used by elites, don’t play along
Thank you for annotating the post. Bumping engagement with my comment.
I really wish my fellow “progressives” would get it through their heads how deeply true it is that perfection is the enemy of progress. It’s supremely ironic that so many people who say they value freedom and individuality are so ABSOLUTELY intolerant of any slight deviations from what they see as moral perfection and adherence to doctrines. It’s like you’re either a hundred percent right or ten thousand percent wrong, and even suggesting there can be an in-between is being “complicit”. Lighten the fuck up or we’ll never get anywhere.
People on lemmy retort stuff like this with “If you talk to a nazi, you ARE a nazi”.
Meanwhile it’s just some dude who likes sourdough.
Honestly we have more in common than we think - on the left we just happen to “eat our own” so to speak.
No, it’s not about simply talking to a nazi. It’s about engaging withvthem as if they are an honest actor. IF they are a true nazi (BIG ‘if’ with how utterly ignorant Americans are), they will only use your honest engagement to at best waste your time, and at worst further spread their hateful propaganda.
If you’re engaging with an actual nazi/far right dingdong, this holds true. If you’re engaging with some idiot who has only up to now heard nazi talking points, it is not true. It is about providing a platform for nazis, not about talking to idiots.
And it gets complicated, because bad actors use this to make spaces for cult behaviour.
Not just nazi specifically, but if you have spammers/bots you can effectively destroy any moderately nuanced progressive space by adding intentional offensive voices in the group, and at reactive voices outside the group calling the original members x/y and pointing at the bots in the group as evidence. Progressive voices will leave to avoid the association, while actual bigots will hear that it is another space for them. By the end, it’s like it was always a bigot space, and the original points and nuance never existed.
Beware divisive propaganda, but also don’t accept actual intentional bigots to invade a space. If they proudly wear their bigotry, let them know it’s not socially tolerated. They are a cancer if enabled.
If someone says they interact with a space to try and stop it from turning into a bigot space, maybe that’s not actually your enemy.
Been fighting cult building propaganda for two decades and now I’m just yelling that the emperor has no clothes. It makes me happy to see people at least engaging with the topic, without calling me a nazi for trying to stop the spread of Nazis.
Also casual reminder that black Americans are Russia’s biggest target. Self segregation is what they want, don’t fall for divisive rhetoric. Be wary of real bigots, especially socially empowered ones. find people you can trust, and find solidarity. Don’t feed the division between those who want to cooperate. Education, exposure, and communication are paramount.
True. In addition to that it’s close to far-right rhetoric. I’m not saying whether it’s correct or wrong… But they sure like to play victim and say people will label them a nazi if they talk about subjects or to certain people. And they’re being wronged.
Nah dude, if you tolerate fascists in any space, they use that space to recruit and try to transform the space for their needs. I’ve heard this from renfaire folks, who had to drive the fascists out of the space to keep it sane. I’ve heard about this happening in work places too. You gotta organize with non-fascists and drive the fascists out of the space by being vocally and actively supportive of groups they despise.
I agree with this. If you’ve ever worked with someone that was awesome to work with and the whole space was left empty when they moved to another company, than you’ve experienced the opposite of a nazi. One toxic, shitty dude can make the whole place go down the toilet. It really only takes one to change a place.
Any chance having source of this ? Thanks <3
Ok, but why an otter?
They’re fuckin rad.
Right? Why NOT an otter?
I’d be more likely to listen if this weren’t next to an AI Gen otter
Another sepia toned AI comic.
Yea I haven’t even read the message, the second I saw the text wobble I came to the comments to see who else has already called it out.
“Critique to build, not tear down”
Smart.
Smart smart smart.
AI cancer
Also Neoliberals are controlled opposition who have been shrugging their shoulders for 50 years, they are complicit or impotent.
The more i read “neoliberal” in political movement discussions, the more i get the feeling its the new “slap this label on anything you dont fully agree with to disqualify them imedietly”-label
Did you just “everyone I don’t like is a nazi” me?
Words have meaning dummy
Neoliberals differ from leftists because Neoliberalism depends on maintaining the status quo and appealing to Capital, which is not helpful when we need to redistribute wealth.
I didnt. Nore was it my intend.
I mearly stated that i am observing people throwing this word around, slapping it on anyone they disagree with.
More ofc in online “discussions” than in irl.
I know they differ. I get called neo liberal for saying a violent uprising isnt the way to archive socialism and the soviet union as well as china, Laos and vietnam were/are evil countrys that did evil things and perverted what socialism is about
Ok keep denying what you can look an inch upward and see you wrote.
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Dear 50501 folks,
Every so often I check my messages at Facebook and noted there’s a big 50501 group there… any chance you could get that group to start educating their Facebook members that supporting Facebook means supporting the coup and fascism?
Just a thought, Wwe
Using Facebook to attract disgruntled hostiles who are potentially ripe for recruitment, or those who are politically agnostic and getting angry at what is happening to them, and poisoning one of their primary propganda mouthpieces, are all important missions.
Breaking through to them is something I have tried to do for years. I’ve stumbled up on this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10KqzL0M2QzUTCdTFzcA1sRkfbNdCoaL7Xn4n4ilpwi8/edit?usp=drivesdk
Comments if you have them.
How about don’t ask the opposition to host it and instantly doxx every person who touches that link? Just a thought. No fucking clue what is actually on the other side of that blue text and I’m not going to check
You’re literally just making a list for them
Seriously… link to FOSS app plz
Sadly, I keep trying to explain this to tankies, but they insisted NOT voting for Kamala because she wasn’t going to use the Dragon Balls to bring back every Palestinian killed by Israel was a power move…
Anyway, that’s how Donald Trump got re-elected
You’re right. We liberals saw that Kamala and Biden did only the bare minimum genocide necessary. It’s better than the extreme amounts of genocide trump is doing. Tankies often miss this point.
“We liberals”.
Yeah right. Troll harder.
Nothing says “I’m not part of this group” quite like “We [group]s”
I don’t know what you want from me, if the genocide was unnecessary then why did the dems allow it to happen? Like clearly it is necessary for our democracy?
Perfection is the enemy of progress
I keep hearing people say this meaning “We need to let Republicans kill trans people”. It seems to be a thought terminating cliche to pull out against anyone further left than the speaker.
As a trans person, that absolutely isn’t how I or other leftists in the spaces I’m in use this phrase. It means to avoid letting disagreement over method or end goal distract from a common cause. Just because a candidate doesn’t run for my specific brand of leftism doesn’t mean I won’t support them over a neoliberal opponent.
Why did they choose a Rape Weasel as their mascot? Besides the adorableness of course.
