That orange fucker needs to see some consequences for his actions for once.
He won’t
Judges parenting baby Trump:
I’m gonna count to 3!
1…
2…
2 and a half…
2 and three quarters…
almost 3…
seriously really almost 3…
You’re not wrong, but there is a reason for it. The judge(s) are trying to show that they gave Trump every chance to follow their orders before throwing him in jail. It may have seemed like a really like time to us, but by court standards it’s not.
In response, Trump’s defense attorney, Chris Kise said, “Based on my understanding this was truly inadvertent.”
“The Truth Social post was taken down when the court asked,” Kise said. “Truth Social was taken down and Trump never made any more comments about court staff, but it appears no one took it down on the campaign website. It is unfortunate and I apologize on behalf of my client.”
Whoops! My bad. All good here, nothing to see.
Oh, that’s bullshit. He has some sort of fetish about being thrown in jail over campaign speech. It is no accident they left it up there. “Biden locked me up because he is afraid of my campaign!!!1!!1111!!1!one!”
Fetish is probably exactly the right word. He idolizes Hitler. Jan 6 was his Beer Hall Putsch, next he needs to get convicted, give a really long speech about being wildly more antiemetic and patriotic than anyone could ever imagine and then he needs to sit in a cushy prison cell where he can “write” his version of Mien Kampf.
It’s easy. He gets thrown in jail, him and his cronies get to paint him as a martyr. It’s all he has left
Not like Trump ever lied to his lawyers.
Like all the times he said he’d really pay them this time?
Honestly as much as I hate the guy I can kinda see how that could happen.
I can see how the post got mirrored automatically and they lost track of it, sure, but remember that he posted the damn thing in the first place. All he had to do was to choose, for once in his life, to not be an asshole.
I look forward to never hearing the name Trump again.
Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever stop hearing his name, Hitler has been dead for almost 80 years and we still hear his almost daily.
That can’t happen soon enough.
But instead fined him $5,000. This headline is stupid.
I am not a lawyer, but my first thought is that you cannot pass a six figure (or more) fine for this kind of infraction. Even though Trump is starting to show a pattern of disregarding this specific case’s proceedings, the judge would have to start at a reasonable amount and go up from there. In this case, I searched for reasonable fines for violating a gag order and got $1000 to $10000. If he handed down a $500,000 fine then the media / right would go crazy questioning if this fine was justified by Trump’s actions. I think we all know that regardless of the sum (barring $100,000+ fines), Trump is gonna disregard the fine and do it again. But doing so gets Trump closer to actually being imprisoned (in theory). The actual threat of being imprisoned is far more likely to quiet Trump than a monetary fee. ‘Tis the life of the (comparatively) rich, monetary fines don’t have the same sticking power as for you and I.
That’s refreshingly rational, all things considered. Thank you.
All gag orders are not equal. Given this one was due to what amounts to a threat against his staff, I find it unlikely most judges in other circumstances would have let this happen with such flagrant disregard for the order without jail time. The fact is, Trump supporters are violent, and this judge is scared of that violence. A slap on the wrist is all he had the courage to do, and I’m doubtful anything will change with this judge going forward. He just knows how appalling it is to have his hard working and innocent staff threatened and reacted like someone with a spine momentarily, and then he realized he doesn’t have one and walked it back.
The entire thing is theater.
Another mind reader I see. Tell us, has the judge already decided if he is guilty? And what number am I thinking of?
There are many other countries, including some with some shared legal history with the US, where civil fines are proportional to the income and/or wealth of the person. Rich people get four or five or six figure traffic tickets, etc.
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Never in the history of our country has a president been indicted so many times. Over so many many alleged crimes. Truly a rigged two tiered just system allowing an indicted former president, storing TS/SCI documents in his bathroom, who has a history of over sharing, and flushing government documents, could remain free, instead of immured in a black-site hole, in pre-trial detainment. Reality Winner was sentenced to five years and three months and she didn’t even get to share how close our submarines could get to Russian Subs without being detected. For shame!
so many many
allegedcrimes.This isn’t a court if law and you aren’t a corporation. You’re allowed to acknowledge his thoroughly proven (and in some cases even brag-admitted) guilt for what it is. Nobody’s going to sue you for telling the truth and nobody reasonable is going to complain either.
Most prominently, Trump is a public figure, so a lawsuit would have to prove malice intent.
I can say Trump is guilty all day long because I have free political speech, and honest intent.
To be fair, a decent amount of presidents probably should have been indicted. Trump does take the cake on how directly connected he is to obvious crimes. He’s definitely the dumbest in that regard.
Here’s what I would do: Trump is ordered to write a formal apology letter to the clerk in which he disavows the spurious claims outlaid in his post, he must record himself reading the letter and post it to his website for at least 2 months. Or he can go to jail for contempt of court.
This way he either does something he definitely does not want to do (admit fault) or go to jail and because he ‘holds the keys to his cell’ so to speak, his claims of being wrongfully imprisoned would be hollow.
Unfortunately I believe there is a long case history that prevents courts from forcing them to say things as it violates the 1st amendment. Similar to forcing engineers to write code that puts “backdoors” into security systems.
I think there is precedent for apologizing as an alternative to punishment, but I’m no expert so you may well be correct.
Just look at Powell, she must write a letter of apology, but the difference there is she took a deal and agreed to it vs being forced into it I guess?
Right, my thought is that the apology would be in lieu of going to jail for contempt, so he isn’t being forced to apologize, he violated a court order and is being punished, he could then choose to forgo punishment by apologizing.
I’m fascinated by your choice of analogy. Do you have a story to tell?
Not my story but the US government has tried a number of times to force engineers at Google/Apple to write backdoors into their encryption in order to “fight the terrorists”. They’ve been prevented from doing that on 1st amendment grounds. Example: https://www.natlawreview.com/article/encryption-and-speech-surplus-building-backdoor-to-first-amendment
I think he literally couldn’t bring himself to make the apology, though. He’s way too much of a narcissist.
Honestly this is a really great plan. It put the whole thing on him. Though sadly he would just do that sing song baby voice he uses and it would sound like he was mocking the apology
His claim of being wrongfully imprisoned is already hollow, his supporters are going to believe it regardless of the hoops
Also not apologizing/admitting fault is a point of price for them
Nobody is above the law. Trump has been fucking around for too long and needs to find out his actions have consequences.
This geriatric fuck hasn’t seen a single consequence in his whole life, would be nice to see literally anything be done
Nobody is above the law.
Patently false. Anyone else behaving as Trump has and indicted on the array of charges he is would be waiting for trial from a jail cell.
Whatever happens to him now, it will be far less than would have happened to you or I had we committed the same crimes.
Nobody is above the law? That remains to be seen
Remember in 2011, when Dominique Strauss-Kahn (powerful French politician and head of the IMF) was arrested , for raping a maid at the hotel he’d been staying at? And the reaction from France was all Why would you do such a thing?!, and the American reaction to France was Why wouldn’t we - no one is above the law!
I really miss those days.
Idk why you got that single down vote. If no one has been paying attention, then I’ll just mention it here. The law (usually) only applies when you’re poor.
Poor, or done something to someone richer than you.
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Oh? Have you tried hopping assbackwards into a pond full of dickfish and fucking yourself?
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I’m just assuming you need dickfish assistance in fucking yourself. Sorry, guess you’re hogged out enough to service yourself.
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I’ve actually been curious about this, I’m not seeing any down votes on the comment you’re talking about. Is it instant specific?
Fucking do it already!
Fuck threats, fucking do it goddammit
Stop threatening it. Anyone else would already be behind bars right now. Follow through.
If you’re ever unsure whether there are separate judicial systems for the aristocrats and the poors, try threatening a judge while not rich and see how many warnings you get.
Stop making empty threats. If this had been anyone else, they would have been in jail years ago. But we’re a nation of corrupt men and not of laws.
