Every $ donated to Ukraine gives them support and a better chance to end the war against Russia. And if Russia takes Ukraine then the rest of the EU is next. I don’t think you realize the importance of this war on a global scale.
USA actually has a way to defeat its cold war nemesis without losing a single soldier. Meanwhile when china is doing china things (investments, building, long term economy plans).
Love seeing domino theory from modern day libs lmao
Wonder how US foreign policy has turned out under that particular paranoia. Surely there isn’t a massive, hundred year long wake of total destruction and mass murder? I wouldn’t know because I’ve never read books like Killing Hope, Washington Bullets, or The Jakarta Method, but I assume they have something to say on the subject.
First of all I’m not a lib. Second, yes I agree to some extent with you. US foreign policy is cancer, however whole US history is built on wars and deaths of innocents, no?
If Russia wins they will obviously take over the land. NATO might hold them back from the EU, but not every country is protected by it. That’s what Russia is especially looking for - easy targets. It doesn’t take long to realize that imperialism is having a comeback in the 20’s and it must be stopped.
Which is also ironic, because the “weak” Ukraine is still holding strong and they are definitely winning thanks to all the support received.
There are a few glaring problems with this narrative of yours. First, Russia and Ukraine coexisted perfectly fine until the west decided to coup the democratically elected government in Ukraine and install the current regime. Second, is that Russia continues to coexist with its neighbours in the east and it’s not invading any of them. It would be far easier for Russia to do that than to push west against NATO.
Finally, Stoltenberg let the cat out of the bag and admitted that the reason the war happened was due to NATO expansion and not because Russia is trying to take over Europe:
This is just the domino theory except “trust me bro, it’ll totally happen this time because BBC said so.”
I don’t think you realize the importance of this war on a global scale.
I don’t think you realize how little most of the human population cares about which flavor of white people gets to be in charge of Europe. Also, how many people in Asia, India, Africa, etc would probably prefer Russia to win because at least Russia doesn’t have a centuries long history of being absolute dicks to them.
No, fewer Marvel movies would be a good thing. I’m saying a Russian occupied America wouldn’t be different. In fact they’d probably stop school shootings, so that would be a positive.
The world? You mean anglos, who make up a tiny minority of the world’s population.
God I can’t wait for the day the African and Asian countries start redrawing the boundaries of Europe and US states. Your liberal whining will be :chefs-kiss:
Liberals come over here and say that we’re the ones who hate the Ukrainian people, yet it’s the US that’s shown that it’s willing to fight the war down to the last Ukrainian.
Every $ donated to Ukraine gives them support and a better chance to end the war
Yes, just like every $ donated to Marianne Williamson helps her take one step closer to the presidency. Surely there are no institutional barriers preventing this from every realistically happening. Surely these elections, and the Ukraine war, are not just empty political theater meant to manufacture consent for the oligarch-owned military industrial complex.
The US didn’t defeat the USSR. The bourgeoisie in the USSR worked for 3 decades to reassert their dominance and it culminated in the internal dismantling of the USSR. After it was dismantled, Russia brought in the USA to help liberalize the Russian economy. The USA implemented economic shock therapy under the theories of Friedman and that shock therapy killed millions of Russians - a death toll so staggering it was equivalent to a war.
The USA outlasted the USSR. The USA outperformed the liberalized economy of the USSR. But the USSR dismantled itself.
The Russian Federation has no intention of taking and holding Ukraine, let alone taking and holding all of Europe. The RF intends only to prevent the North Atlantic from completing their border fence of nuclear first strike capabilities and neutralizing all of Russia’s national security.
BRICS is a far more powerful economic coalition than the North Atlantic. The USA needs to discipline the EU to prevent any of them from switching their allegiance to BRICS, but ultimately BRICS will be inexorable because most of European riches come from their dominance of the Global South. As that dominance breaks down, Europe will be left with very little choice but to choose between the USA and the rest of the world. Individual countries will try to break rank and they will be disciplined for it, but eventually the West will break.
In what world does Ukraine have a chance of actually reclaiming their territory? Even by the most optimistic estimates, Ukraine’s recent counteroffensive has lost tens of thousands of soldiers to claim… A rural village.
Every $ donated to Ukraine gives them support and a better chance to end the war against Russia
There has never been a point during that conflict where Ukraine ever had a chance against Russia. There is no positive outcome for Ukraine. More money just means more death.
Every $ donated to Ukraine gives them support and a better chance to end the war against Russia. And if Russia takes Ukraine then the rest of the EU is next. I don’t think you realize the importance of this war on a global scale.
USA actually has a way to defeat its cold war nemesis without losing a single soldier. Meanwhile when china is doing china things (investments, building, long term economy plans).
Love seeing domino theory from modern day libs lmao
Wonder how US foreign policy has turned out under that particular paranoia. Surely there isn’t a massive, hundred year long wake of total destruction and mass murder? I wouldn’t know because I’ve never read books like Killing Hope, Washington Bullets, or The Jakarta Method, but I assume they have something to say on the subject.
First of all I’m not a lib. Second, yes I agree to some extent with you. US foreign policy is cancer, however whole US history is built on wars and deaths of innocents, no?
If your ideology comes from a person who shares your name, but with a couple of vowels, that actually might be worse tbh.
not only are you a lib, you are a turbo lib. if you call yourself a leftist you’re just smearing our good name.
Wait so if Russia wins the EU won’t exist? Does Russia take foreign volunteers?
If Russia wins they will obviously take over the land. NATO might hold them back from the EU, but not every country is protected by it. That’s what Russia is especially looking for - easy targets. It doesn’t take long to realize that imperialism is having a comeback in the 20’s and it must be stopped.
Which is also ironic, because the “weak” Ukraine is still holding strong and they are definitely winning thanks to all the support received.
There are a few glaring problems with this narrative of yours. First, Russia and Ukraine coexisted perfectly fine until the west decided to coup the democratically elected government in Ukraine and install the current regime. Second, is that Russia continues to coexist with its neighbours in the east and it’s not invading any of them. It would be far easier for Russia to do that than to push west against NATO.
Finally, Stoltenberg let the cat out of the bag and admitted that the reason the war happened was due to NATO expansion and not because Russia is trying to take over Europe:
Then lastly on Sweden. First of all, it is historic that now Finland is member of the Alliance. And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.
The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.
If Russia destroys both NATO and the EU I would probably just laugh
Not gonna happen
ok so why are you even worried
Why shouldn’t I?
In that case, Russia needs to have a word with whoever decided Ukraine was an easy target.
Comeback suggests it went away.
This is just the domino theory except “trust me bro, it’ll totally happen this time because BBC said so.”
I don’t think you realize how little most of the human population cares about which flavor of white people gets to be in charge of Europe. Also, how many people in Asia, India, Africa, etc would probably prefer Russia to win because at least Russia doesn’t have a centuries long history of being absolute dicks to them.
You seek an asia-russia alliance. The world seeks the EU-US alliance. If ruzzians occupied your country I doubt you would defend them.
We’re speaking mainly about Ukraine here. Of course I don’t mean new Zealand or Australia. Use common sense
Ukraine was seeking an alliance with Russia before the 2014 coup that installed a more NATO friendly government
When you say the world, you mean these guys right?
I’m an American and if Russians occupied us I wouldn’t notice anything different except more Cyrillic and fewer Marvel movies
Is that all? Marvel movies are all you would care for? Holy shit I’ve never seen this level of brain wash before.
No, fewer Marvel movies would be a good thing. I’m saying a Russian occupied America wouldn’t be different. In fact they’d probably stop school shootings, so that would be a positive.
The world? You mean anglos, who make up a tiny minority of the world’s population.
God I can’t wait for the day the African and Asian countries start redrawing the boundaries of Europe and US states. Your liberal whining will be :chefs-kiss:
Noooo you can’t divide my country at this arbitrary parallel we have centuries of tradition and shared history
“My rape victim chooses to stay with me! The police are the real bad guys!”
Yeah that’s why 140+ world leaders were gathered in Beijing last week, to seek the EU-US alliance.
🤔🤔🤔🤔
Do the Ukrainian lives not count?
Liberals come over here and say that we’re the ones who hate the Ukrainian people, yet it’s the US that’s shown that it’s willing to fight the war down to the last Ukrainian.
Russia, known for dropping nuclear bombs on hostile powers.
Wait that’s not right.
Russia, also know for having hundreds of military bases outside it’s territory.
oh wait…
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Yes, just like every $ donated to Marianne Williamson helps her take one step closer to the presidency. Surely there are no institutional barriers preventing this from every realistically happening. Surely these elections, and the Ukraine war, are not just empty political theater meant to manufacture consent for the oligarch-owned military industrial complex.
The only thing giving money to Ukraine is doing is pissing in the wind.
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You do realize that Russia since almost day 1 has had the opportunity to take Ukraine, right? But keeping paths open lets them bleed NATO.
Nobody said Russia is the USSR.
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Strawmanning is your only tool.
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Then I obviously wouldn’t be reading and responding a computer, numbnuts.
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Do you enjoy harassing those better than you?
The US didn’t defeat the USSR. The bourgeoisie in the USSR worked for 3 decades to reassert their dominance and it culminated in the internal dismantling of the USSR. After it was dismantled, Russia brought in the USA to help liberalize the Russian economy. The USA implemented economic shock therapy under the theories of Friedman and that shock therapy killed millions of Russians - a death toll so staggering it was equivalent to a war.
The USA outlasted the USSR. The USA outperformed the liberalized economy of the USSR. But the USSR dismantled itself.
The Russian Federation has no intention of taking and holding Ukraine, let alone taking and holding all of Europe. The RF intends only to prevent the North Atlantic from completing their border fence of nuclear first strike capabilities and neutralizing all of Russia’s national security.
BRICS is a far more powerful economic coalition than the North Atlantic. The USA needs to discipline the EU to prevent any of them from switching their allegiance to BRICS, but ultimately BRICS will be inexorable because most of European riches come from their dominance of the Global South. As that dominance breaks down, Europe will be left with very little choice but to choose between the USA and the rest of the world. Individual countries will try to break rank and they will be disciplined for it, but eventually the West will break.
Correction: You support Ukraine being used as a meatshield by the US to fight a proxy war against Russia, Ukrainian people be damned.
I mean if Russia didn’t want to be involved I. The war they could just not.
Another lib who thinks the conflict began in 2022
Why is this an insult? Do you not want people to be fed?
They don’t
“defeat”
In what world does Ukraine have a chance of actually reclaiming their territory? Even by the most optimistic estimates, Ukraine’s recent counteroffensive has lost tens of thousands of soldiers to claim… A rural village.
There has never been a point during that conflict where Ukraine ever had a chance against Russia. There is no positive outcome for Ukraine. More money just means more death.