For a gender that less than 0.5% of the population identifies as (Wiki numbers, 355 people out of 100,000), we sure do argue about this a lot, don’t we?
Better that than throwing off the shackles of the oppressor and rising up against the oligarch class.
Those brown lads area after your crumbs! That man wants to be called “they”! Ooh look, Israel/Gaza, pick a side! Look at this jobless woman with her fancy flat screen television! Does eating Wotsits cure cancer? Distract yourselves with yourselves.
Can I interest you in everything, all of the time?
Apathy’s a tragedy and boredom is a crime.
Anything and everything, all of the time.
a little bit
Even if they were only 1 in a billion. They still deserve to exist and live their lives how they like if it doesn’t negatively affect others.
They do, and they should get on with that, and start ignoring people who don’t agree with them, their lifestyle, or use of language. You cannot enforce your own ideas about your identity on anyone else, because they are also entitled to have their own ideas. All a person can do is just live. Celebrity opinions are not law, and should not be paid such attention as if they matter.
Has anyone in any country ever been incarcerated for misgendering a trans person? Is there even a significant number of people who seriously believe that would be an appropriate response?
Nope.
Just come out and tell us about your victimhood complex, Joanne.
Exactly! It’s like going to jail for having someone presenting themselves as Joanne and you always call them Joanna. How will it ever be so much of a concern to throw someone in jail and destroy their future over it, Joanna? HOW??
It’s about the influential power. She’s presenting a potentially dangerous rhetoric. She really does have the power to create a new wave of hate if she really wanted to.
In fact it’s the other way around. Plenty of people have been incarcerated and worse for simply being trans
The prosecution complex is real. No one’s suing you for using the wrong pronouns you bigot.
In fact, I’m almost entirely sure that no one’s ever asked Rowling to use specific pronouns because no queer person could stand being around her for longer than a minute.
*Persecution
Prosecution is a noun referring to the party bringing charges in a criminal case.
Resulting in sentencing, for example, to two years in jail…
Maybe prosecution was right this time!
Meanwhile she threatens to sue everyone within legal reach who calls her a transphobe.
Using the correct pronouns is an issue of respecting others, and seeing Rowling doubling down on her smug and bigoted views in public is a revelation, because during a re-read, you start seeing these views reflecting everywhere in her writing. It’s a deeply prejudiced and irrational world, and it stayed that way all the way to the ending with nothing in that world really changed.
I think being an adult is realizing that I don’t love Harry Potter as much as I used to, because (I can’t believe I’m saying this) I’ve finally outgrown it. It’s time to move on.
Being a grown-up is painful.
A big part of that is context, I think. When we were children, we didn’t have the knowledge or developed brains to recognize these things. And the lossy nature of our memory leads us to skew towards remembering things in more idealized manners, probably because it is easier to recall things as “concentrates” of reality. The parts that we, as adults, recognize as problematic don’t tend to be remembered as significant because, when making the initial memories as children, we lacked the context to flag them as such.
I think being an adult is realizing that I don’t love Harry Potter as much as I used to, because (I can’t believe I’m saying this) I’ve finally outgrown it. It’s time to move on.
On other hand, this realization frees you in a way and may potentially inspire you seek out or create another piece of art to love (and potentially share with others). While I disagree with a significant section of the population and believe that art is inseparably and indelibly linked to the artist, it is important still to be kind to our past selves and not judge them for what they didn’t know. That still doesn’t entirely soften the blow of “breaking up” with a piece of art that one has loved but, it can help with accepting it.
Being a grown-up is painful.
It’s also joyful, terrible, wonderful, enraging, sorrowful, and countless other feelings and possibilities. I think it’s beautiful, even if not always comfortable. And the uncomfortable bits provide contrast to the positive, letting them seem to shine a bit more brilliantly. Though, that could also be the near-pathological optimism that I adopted to cope with depression in my younger years.
inspire you seek out or create another piece of art to love (and potentially share with others)
I think we did a pretty good job on that recently. :)
If you’re referring to the recent film, I think that you did indeed and hope your colleagues and yourself are proud of it. Nice to have a film that’s a bit more light-hearted (without being too saccharine) and, especially considering the thread topic, that embraces a diverse set of people in the cast and supports universal agency.
The world is fine (if flawed and sometimes generic). The real issue is there isn’t a single good character in them. Hermione is alright, with her desire to free the elves and generally no accepting of the status quo. Even she seems to stop caring about this after they’re free and capable of doing something about it. There’s not a single progressive person in those worlds. There are only not totally evil (but accepting of banal evils) people. Being against Hitler doesn’t make you a good person, it only makes you not a literal Nazi.
Neville is the only somewhat progressive character. It’s just a transformation from loser to hero, but at least he never tossed his core values.
All adults in the HP universe are terrible people, the only adult with a lick of integrity is McGonagall.
A broken clock is right sometimes. I don’t believe never being good it says anything about the author, the author just forgot to fuck him up…
The first few HP movies around the holidays don’t hurt nobody!
Unless a certain someone you know never stops reminding you that he was in thoses movies…
Does Daniel keep pestering you about it too? God he’s such a drama queen.
If someone doesn’t want to respect others who cares?
Well, as others in this thread have said, misgender him back. Give him a taste of his own medicine.
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Even if you disagree, using a pronoun is just polite. She’d have to go out of her way to do this.
He’d have to go out of his way to do this.
Start misgendering him and see how frustrated he gets.
You can’t not use pronouns. It’s about using the correct ones. Why do some people think pronouns are new? “You” is a pronoun, for example. It has nothing to do with gender.
Not sure why you assume this? I never made the claim
Even if you disagree, using a pronoun is just polite.
It may have just been a typo, but I’m seen far too many people who think pronouns are a modern invention that has to do with gender identity. Sorry if it was just a mistake.
It’s not a typo, I just lazily wrote the comment like I’d speak.
TLDR; all Britons can say what they want and express themselves freely, unless it breaks any laws or harms another person.
Isn’t this a classic “freedom of speech” vs. “anti-discrimination-laws” case? Unless the laws in the UK change anytime soon, J.K. very well has the right to talk how she pleases in the confines of the law. She also can’t be forced to change her vocabulary and shouldn’t be afraid to be bullied if she doesn’t. Whatever you may think about her, this always has to goes both ways:
Under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. The law goes on to say that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society".
In 2010 the UK also passed a law protecting it’s citizens from “discrimination, harassment and victimization.”
If it could be proven that J.K. harmed somebody by her speech, she could be liable for damages. At that point she could also sue back, having the most likely bigger budget than most people.
As some say “freedom to swing your arms around ends where someone else’s face begins”
Although that’s maybe not such a good phrase after all, as swinging your arms around to intimidate is also not acceptable.
Yes, she is free to be a giant asshole with a persecution complex. And we are free to call her one.
What a worthless comment. “Your freedom of speech is protected so long as it hasn’t been outlawed”.
Who knew.
This is why people say that Europe doesn’t have freedom of speech, because unlike the US there is nothing stopping legislature from simply banning any speech.
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You get called out for shitty behavior that can negatively impact people, and are upset that carries consequences. That’s not bullying fwiw
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Trans people have always existed and weren’t even on people’s radar until we became the focus of a “culture war”. This is something I denied and battled internally for 15+ years before I decided to actually pursue it; I am markedly less passable as a result, but that’s what the “rational” transphobes want right? Wait until you’re a fully developed adult before making that choice? I did. My voice might be on the deep end of things, but I get gendered correctly in public by total strangers. So while I appreciate my life being called a trend, I can assure you it’s not.
Now, while I worry about my personal safety by way of being hate crimed in public due to some shitty rhetoric; you can keep posting about getting “bullied” online. Hope this clears things up <3
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They actually have, be it the Inuit people, Native Americans, Greeks, Scandinavians, Romans, Indians, Japanese, Pacific Islanders, and likely many more. Phytoestrogens from soy and BPA plastics are not metabolized in a way that carries any feminizing effects, though can aggravate hormonal cancers. If you haven’t watched Oki’s series on the atrazine studies they’re fantastic. He interviews the scientist behind a lot of the research and talks on how Alex Jone’s undermined the research’s public image.
That being said, while I appreciate the sentiment of “dress how ya want” and I truly believe you’re genuine in saying that. Plenty of those who say that do not mean it though, and will be the first to throw stones. Which is why I ask you have just a little compassion on the matter. I know some people can be a lot. But most are just trying to get by, just like you and I.
Yeah, freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism for what you choose to say. The government can’t lock you up solely for saying things it doesn’t like but other people also have freedom of speech and they are absolutely free to call you a shitcunt for being a shitcunt.
keep your shit to yourself
Like… my name?
Or the bare-minimum stand-in for my name?
Seriously living in the worst timeline.
It really doesn’t get any worse than people downvoting our posts or saying they don’t agree with us when we post things on the Internet for other people to read. So much bullying! I say we should go back to the good old times when people who felt insulted, whether the insult was real or imagined, would challenge you for a duel at sunset in front of the saloon.
Just use they/them. It’s universally understood and was in use long before you ever knew about LGBTQ at all. It’s really not hard. Whatever you think about gender or sex, this is a neutral acknowledgment that is a person. We can all at least agree on that.
I mean I’m not ecstatic about those things but it’s pretty easy to just ignore them. You know, to keep your shit to yourself. Or are you in some situation that forces you to encounter them on a regular basis?
He really does know how to keep yall pushing their SEO score higher
Does she realize what a complete arsehole that makes her look? She’d rather go to jail than treat people like human beings?
He doesn’t.
assuming you didn’t make a typo, this ain’t cute. The signal you’re sending is that respecting pronouns is a privilege you reserve for people you agree with.
It’s more that I’m giving her a taste of her own medicine. She doesn’t extend this basic courtesy to people she disagrees with, so why should anyone give it to her?
Because it isn’t just hurting she/her, it is also hurting the people who want to be called a different pronouns.
So better to keep referring to her cis pronouns every time she/her is mentioned.
How so?
Because the signal you’re sending to trans people is that you don’t think respecting our pronouns is a human right.
She is so vile and toxic in such obvious ways - why not attack her for her wrongs instead?
Personally I think pronouns should be abolished altogether - think of the cumulative time you could save by trimming the language like that. Trim the fat. After all, why use many word when few word do trick?
Said same thing to friend, earlier. Said to was a stupid idea and need functional words to build meaningful sentences. Don’t agree with.
Yet here I am, reading your sentence twice to understand it.
Pronouns are double plus ungood.
Completely agreed.
Pronouns stem from a time when it mattered whether or not a sentence was about a man or a woman. Sentences about men were given a higher status.
Once we accepted women are equal to men, it really doesn’t matter what the gender is of the person the sentence is about. They are human, that should be enough.
I’ve been replacing all pronouns with they/them for a while, even in my daily life.
It’s hyperbole and she is referring to being forced to think a particular thing. She’s not wrong on the premise. But no one wants to analyze this because thinking and discord are hard.
She can still think whatever she wants, she just isn’t allowed to call people names they don’t want.
It is like me calling you “asshole” the whole time, and then proudly announcing that I would rather go to jail than stop calling you asshole.
She can call people whatever she wants that’s the point. You don’t go to jail for calling me an asshole. Being forced to use speech that counters her actual thoughts is the part she’s willing to go to jail for. You would likely do the same for your own beliefs.
JKR wouldn’t survive a day in prison. This just communicates to me she doesn’t comprehend just how absolutely horrible an experience actually going to prison is.
Cute that you think she’s go to anything resembling a normal prison and not a white collar cell where the worst she deals with it eating freeze dried food sometimes
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That makes her the second gigantic prominent shithead in as many days expressing that they’re willing to go to prison for their beliefs. And also the second whom I wouldn’t believe for even a millisecond that they’re telling the truth.
Enjoy jail then I guess. It’s a pretty stupid hill to die on, especially when you’re filthy rich and the conservatives already hate you over the whole witchcraft nonsense. I cannot fathom conservative doublethink.
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What a shitbrick. I am glad I never got into her books in the first place. I saw the first movie and had no interest in seeing the others. I read half the first book to my daughter and she got bored with it, so we stopped. My wife got really into her and is disappointed neither of us are, but fuck her. I don’t want to spend a dime on her.
Edit: Weird part- she’s always been an atheist and she loved the Narnia books.
What is stopping an atheist of enjoying the Narnia Chronicles?
They’re basically one big Christian analogy. They’re infinitely better written and more appropriate for children to have anything to do with than the bible, though.
I never read the bible and the little I retained from the Narnia Chronicles resumes to talking creatures battling over the common trope of good vs evil.
I’m an atheist and I was able to take some entertainment from those works without feeling dragged into a christian analogy.
Hence why I made sure to point out that it’s much better written than the source material it’s based on.
Just because Aslan is basically Jesus as a lion doesn’t mean that atheists like you and myself can’t enjoy it 🤷
It helps that The Chronicles of Narnia are fantasy books.
Hot take here, but you can be atheist and enjoy religious stories all the while knowing they’re fake.
The funny thing is we can blame Tolkien for that. It was Tolkien who got Lewis to convert, though he became a protestant while Tolkien was a Catholic, and hilariously Tolkien found Lewis’ use of Christian symbolism too overdone and lacking in subtlety.
it was Tolkien who got Lewis to convert
Well, pobody’s nerfect 🤷
I have to be honest, I read the Narnia Chronicles as a child, and never once made the leap of “wait, is this allegory for that stuff they make us sing about at school?”.
I’m atheist and liked the Narnia books
Why is it weird to be atheist and love the Narnia books?
Is there a lot of religious stuff in them? I’ve never read them, I just thought it was alternate fantasy world stories.
Aslan is Jesus. It’s a club-you-over-the-head allegory for Christian ideology
Everyone seems to pick up on Aslan = Jesus but if you are vaguely familiar with turn of the century Christianity debates it’s much more specific than that.
Muslims are Satan-worshippers (Tash) and so are Christians who argue that Allah and God are the same. (In the form of Tash-lan in the novels)
The Chronicles of Narnia was basically C.S. Lewis’ opinion on theology at the time.
Recently read the last book in the Narnia series (The Last Battle). There is racism hinted throughout the series, but wow that book is overtly racist. Can’t believe kids are being encouraged to read that stuff in this day and age. And it won the Carnegie Medal smh
I’ve never read the books, but I did enjoy the movies, and it’s really disappointing. I have the DVDs, so I guess I could still watch those knowing it won’t signal any continued demand the way streaming them would, but still.
Did she get bored of it? Or were you so disinterested in the book you read it like an asshole to her and that’s why she lost interest? Generally speaking, the HP books were like crack to children.
A good public speaker can make a math textbook seem like Dickens.
The twitter thread where they fantasise about being in prison reminds me of this meme:
what a weirdo lol
