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Frank Herbert: Giant sandworms lol. /j
Frank Herbert: … and dogs that are also chairs… rips bong… chairdogs
Duncan, Duncan, Duncan, Duncan
lol Herbert had some weird fantasy about a guy named Duncan from Idaho. Only explanation for some of that stuff.
He got a flat tire once in Duncan, Idaho. It was the early 60’s so things got freaky fast when he was picked up by a colorfully painted bus . . .
Let’s just say the memories will never die.
Frank Herbert is what happens when a genius writer takes too much shrooms while studying dunes. Like that is literally what happened.
I also like to kidnap my entire family in my used hearse then do a shitload of amphetamines in the Mexican desert immediately after completing a formal education in the newly developed science of ecology that ended with learning about the inevitability of man made climate change continuing to accelerate the greatest and final planetary mass extinction event, the holocene era
Yeah I feel that shit in my soul bro, for sure
Whomst amongst us hasn’t done a Herbert once or twice
Calling him a genius writer is probably being a bit too generous, what with all the beefswellings and all that
Cmon, you just gotta do more shrooms and re-read Dune bro.
Fuckin Herbert just decided to write philosophy disguised as a sci-fi story lol
Tolkien is clearly the best, but I don’t have a problem with Martin borrowing from real-life history. History is incredibly cool, and full of amazing stories. Stealing from other authors is bullshit, though.
To be fair the children’s story came first. In that regard Tolkien and Rowling had something in common, their first books were written for a much younger and simpler audience. It wasn’t until they took off commercially that the more adult and deep lore was developed.
EDIT: I’m wrong
What? No. First was the story of Arda in a prototype version of the Silmarillon and Unfinished Tales.
Huh, interesting, I didn’t realize Tolkien had started writing portions of the Silmarillion in 1914. I had to do some looking based on your response and learned something.
From what I know, he never really wrote “for” the silmsrillion either. He wrote stories for him to flesh out the history of the world but not with the intention of publishing such stories. Some of them were even just notes about what happened in the world and some weren’t finished.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong
According to the Tolkien Professor (during his YouTube streams on the History of Middle Earth series) there was always the intent to publish the Quenta Silmarillion (the central tale of the Silmarils) as a First-Age story of the Elves, but it kept getting revised and rewritten and never reached a publishable form.
Until Tolkien’s son wanted to complete that piece of the legacy, and found multiple (sometimes contradictory) sets of notes and mostly-finished stories, and Editorial Decisions had to be made.
Until Tolkien’s son needed more cash …
FTFY
I’d need to look up the dates, but he might’ve started creating the languages even earlier than that
Upvote because somebody online admitted they were wrong.
No they didn’t!
EDIT: I’m wrong
…?
Still a little ambiguous…
/s
Steven Erikson: here’s a world that contains millennia of anthropologically grounded cultures that got spiced up by some interdimensional elves, orcs, gods & dragons that me and my buddy use to play D&D in, have fun reading through the eyes of over 1000 characters lol
Erikson ruined fantasy novels for me. Book of the Fallen was the most challenging and rewarding read of my life. It made almost everything else feel like YA fiction.
Felt the same when I finished that series. Didn’t feel that I could read fantasy again.
Seriously. I only finished the main Book of the Fallen series this early this year and just can’t get interested in anything else fantasy now.
It’s one thing to make you feel something when a character you’ve been with for 10 books dies, but when an author can do the same with a character you’re with for a handful of pages, it’s something else.
!Abasard’s death in Reaper’s Gale still resonates with me. !<
I assume you were trying to add a spoiler, but it did not come through correctly and is visible
Not a native english speaker, but these books are so hard to read.
Currently in book 9. Moving ever so slowly so it doesn’t end too quickly, cause then what will I read? 😭
George Lucas: Let someone else handle it.
as long as the broads are wearin’ short skirts
“There’s no underwear in space.”
George Lucas: I like money
Then you have the author of Twilight that started world building after the first book, created a number of characters with interesting background lore, then proceeded to do nothing with any of it.
It’s even worse than that - Twilight was originally fanfic for Anne Rice’s Vampire Chronicles series, so it’s all just Lestat with a fake mustache and sparkles.
It’s really hard to criticize anything about Twilight after you learn it was literally self published fan fiction written by a Mormon house wife with ten kids that has never once in her life even seen a healthy or fulfilling relationship from a distance, or had a meal containing any form of seasoning, and will almost certainly die without having ever experienced even an aliquot of sexual pleasure
Also, normally when you write supernatural fiction that rips off indigenous mythology, you don’t name drop the tribe that you’re taking from and proceed to integrate their real-world reservation heavily into your setting.
Yet, somehow this would still probably be the most respectful treatment of any of the first nations by any Mormon, ever
The history of the Mormon church is like oops hahaha all war crimes I’m so silly
I read that series out of spite when it was popular, and actually started getting interested in the lore and world when she started introducing fucking X-Men powers. Huge build up, huge hype, and then… fucking nothing. I shouldn’t have been surprised, but alas.
Same.
Also, fun fact: Tolkien converted C.S. Lewis to Christianity, who almost immediately disappointed him by adopting Anglicanism instead of Catholicism and then decided Tolkien’s stories weren’t Christian enough, so he basically wrote the Narnia books out of spite.
now that’s deep lore
Don’t cite the deep lore to me witch
I was there when it was written
GRRM wrote “Sandkings” which is one of my favorite novellas ever. He gets a pass from me.
I think he stole this from an episode of Outer Limits.
The novel is ~15 years older than that show…?
He used time travel to steal it.
He might have written that ep of Outer Limits, he worked a ton in TV back in the day.
In 1995, “Sandkings” was adapted into a television film that served as the first episode of The Outer Limits relaunch. The script was adapted by Melinda M. Snodgrass, Martin’s co-editor for the Wild Cards series.
Honestly I prefer the Outer Limits version, the novel is a little too busy and the ending is a bit silly.
Writing world building is fun!
Writing actual fiction is boring and dull because if it’s not a monomyth your editor is gonna removed about it
That’s mostly true, though sometimes a writer can make a killing writing contrarian edgy slop where anyone approaching a monomyth is brutally killed off as a recurring gimmick until not much really happens ultimately except a cycle of sensationalistic violent and/or sexually violent gotcha moments until it sputters out before its undelivered last book.
Jorge Luis Borges: why write the book when you can write a review of the book like it exists already.
“Then write a children’s book in it.”
That is exactly why Stephen Colbert, king of LOTR trivia, does not like The Hobbit.
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And people wonder why I have no respect for George R R Martin. Why I have no respect for JK rowling, destroyer of her Legacy is self-evident at this point
I respect Martins approach. Not every fantasy writer has to be a Tolkien.
Tolkien: Writes a complex, multifaceted story set in a rich universe in a single elegant novel across three volumes.
Martin: Is five books into his trilogy with at least two more to go and still has no idea where the story is going.
I think I know which approach I respect more…
What I mean is, Einsteins existence doesn’t have to make me lose respect for other physicists. You don’t have to be one of the absolute legendary best to achieve something valuable.
Not every writer has the fantasy that Tokien had.
GRRM is great at giving input and following the formula, as evidenced by Elden Ring. Not so much with creating an enormous, generational body of work.
Elden Ring was Namco, not GRRM…
Miyazaki says that the pair had “many free and creative conversations… which Mr Martin later used as a base to write the overarching mythos for the game world itself.” So by this he’s responsible for the world’s founding lore. “This mythos proved to be full of interesting characters and drama along with a plethora of mystical and mysterious elements as well,” added Miyazaki. “It was a wonderful source of stimulus for me and the development staff. Elden Ring’s world was constructed using this mythos and stimulus as a base.”
From an interview.
My bottom panel is getting swapped out for the husband and wife duo of K.A Applegate and the Animorphs books.
Yeah the Hobbit was the first book I ever read, at six years old, lucky me I became a lifetime nerd
Didn’t he write the Hobbit first and then everything else around it?
He set The Hobbit (which he wrote for his kids) in the world he’d already built… not because he particularly enjoyed worldbuilding, but because a culturally complex fantasy world with a rich history and mythology was a prerequisite for the epic poetic sagas he felt needed to write in order to properly develop his fantasy languages, which is what he really liked to do, as a philologist.
No, not really. It was his first book that was supremely popular, but it was written for his children. His main body of work (which was later published in part in the Silmarallion) was started in WWI and was never really completed. The Hobbit and then to a far greater extant LotR were pulled into the preceding work.
He already hada lot of stories and ideas about Middle Earth before. When he wrote the Hobbit for his kids, he placed it in this world and it became the first book to be published. Lord of the Rings he wrote as a sequel to the Hobbit, but added a lot of hints and references to his other stories of his world.
