Because the number is immaterial to the question at hand. It could be 1, or 100, or 1 million. It doesn’t change the fact that trying to argue semantics over human rights is inherently inhumane. Nor does it change the fact that these are not just numbers on a spreadsheet.
But frankly, I know you know that. There was never any real value to you asking people for it.
The fact that you ignored my point about Trump’s removal of legitimate ways to seek asylum, which undermines the validity of any dataset that could answer your question, is proof enough that you were never asking in good faith. Or do you reckon it was a coincidence that you didn’t want a source for that bit?
Most of those deported were members of well-known criminal gangs renowned for their brutality and penchant for murder. Do you care about any of their victims? If not, don’t come to me with a sob story about human rights.
Just kidding, you couldn’t prove that claim even if you wanted too…
Of course I care about the victims of gang violence. Only a monster wouldn’t. But many of the asylum seekers who’s rights are being deprived are trying to escape gang violence, and are instead being sent right back to it. Many of those being deported are not gang members, but innocent people who lived in the US their whole lives and are being sent to countries or prisons where they will be subjected to gang violence.
Only when it’s convenient for your point do you bother to suddenly discover your compassion. What a great way to play with an appeal to emotion to justify dismissing the right to due process.
Here is the difference between you and me, I believe even gang members deserve their day in court. That we should all try our best to ensure the innocent are protected.
We can’t do that by just deporting people without due process. We will drop balls we could have caught, mistakenly send innocent people to jails they don’t belong in, to countries where they will be subjected to violence.
If they are guilty of gang violence, then let them suffer the consequences of their actions. But don’t let the government just throw out a “trust me bro, they were illegal gang members frfr”.
Civil rights have to be for everyone, or they can be taken away from anyone.
Well, if you’re such a strong believer in due process, what do you think about Biden letting all of these people in without following the proper immigration procedures? Who do you think is more likely to enter the country illegally, honest people or those who are already criminals?
And I believe that most people who “enter illegally” are those who can not obtain the resources to do so through official channels. Full stop.
And given that the Justice Department reports that illegal immigrants commit less crimes than citizens on average , the data supports the belief that illegal immigrants are more likely to only commit the crime of crossing illegally. Which begs the question if we should allow an easier and more supported path for these otherwise innocent and impoverished people to come into the country legally.
But we have veered very far into your feelings at this point (which sadly the facts don’t care about), and you keep making unsupported claims to emotion, so it’s probably time for you to go to bed. Eh champ? There will still be human rights for you to violate in the morning.
edit: It’s cute you dropped the victims of gang violence point when you realized your points would lead to more gang violence. It’s tough being you huh?
Source?
https://www.uscis.gov/records/genealogy/genealogy-notebook/researching-deportation-records
Though you will have to submit a request to get the records. Shouldn’t take too long.
You didn’t answer my question btw…
How am I supposed to answer your question without having verified your claim first?
Because the number is immaterial to the question at hand. It could be 1, or 100, or 1 million. It doesn’t change the fact that trying to argue semantics over human rights is inherently inhumane. Nor does it change the fact that these are not just numbers on a spreadsheet.
But frankly, I know you know that. There was never any real value to you asking people for it.
The fact that you ignored my point about Trump’s removal of legitimate ways to seek asylum, which undermines the validity of any dataset that could answer your question, is proof enough that you were never asking in good faith. Or do you reckon it was a coincidence that you didn’t want a source for that bit?
Most of those deported were members of well-known criminal gangs renowned for their brutality and penchant for murder. Do you care about any of their victims? If not, don’t come to me with a sob story about human rights.
Source?
Just kidding, you couldn’t prove that claim even if you wanted too…
Of course I care about the victims of gang violence. Only a monster wouldn’t. But many of the asylum seekers who’s rights are being deprived are trying to escape gang violence, and are instead being sent right back to it. Many of those being deported are not gang members, but innocent people who lived in the US their whole lives and are being sent to countries or prisons where they will be subjected to gang violence.
Only when it’s convenient for your point do you bother to suddenly discover your compassion. What a great way to play with an appeal to emotion to justify dismissing the right to due process.
Here is the difference between you and me, I believe even gang members deserve their day in court. That we should all try our best to ensure the innocent are protected.
We can’t do that by just deporting people without due process. We will drop balls we could have caught, mistakenly send innocent people to jails they don’t belong in, to countries where they will be subjected to violence.
If they are guilty of gang violence, then let them suffer the consequences of their actions. But don’t let the government just throw out a “trust me bro, they were illegal gang members frfr”.
Civil rights have to be for everyone, or they can be taken away from anyone.
Well, if you’re such a strong believer in due process, what do you think about Biden letting all of these people in without following the proper immigration procedures? Who do you think is more likely to enter the country illegally, honest people or those who are already criminals?
Source?
Again, you know you can’t back up these claims.
And I believe that most people who “enter illegally” are those who can not obtain the resources to do so through official channels. Full stop.
And given that the Justice Department reports that illegal immigrants commit less crimes than citizens on average , the data supports the belief that illegal immigrants are more likely to only commit the crime of crossing illegally. Which begs the question if we should allow an easier and more supported path for these otherwise innocent and impoverished people to come into the country legally.
But we have veered very far into your feelings at this point (which sadly the facts don’t care about), and you keep making unsupported claims to emotion, so it’s probably time for you to go to bed. Eh champ? There will still be human rights for you to violate in the morning.
edit: It’s cute you dropped the victims of gang violence point when you realized your points would lead to more gang violence. It’s tough being you huh?
I appreciate your optimism.