The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
A three foot wide crater out front, yeah. Definitely looks like the detonation of either a very small bomb or something that didn’t explode as intended. Definitely not a fucking JDAM crater, that’s for sure.
No but being part of Hamas does not erase ones Palestinian identity. Hamas is still made of natives trying to defend themselves from colonizers. Nice try tho.
You straight up defending “Human Shield” Hamas after they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on the IDF isn’t the moral high ground you deserepately need.
First, it was a separate paramilitary group from Hamas called PIJ, second they obviously didn’t intentionally bomb their own hospital. They fired a shitty rocket out of a civilian area, as they typically do, and the engine failed over the hospital.
There is recorded communications between PIJ members talking about the misfire. They just aren’t accepting blame publicly as it’s advantageous to try and pin it on Israel.
Nobody does. Even someone with the best reputation could be lying, too. People need to stop taking governments on faith like that, it’s absolutely moronic. If they didn’t present evidence that you took the time to evaluate for yourself whether or not it was proof, you just don’t know at all.
US and Israel have basically been in lockstep for decades (despite the whole supposed Obama/Netanyahu row), this isn’t really worth anything.
Absolutely NOT true. The US pressured Israel into allowing aid to flow into gaza, turn on other necessities, etc. They have condemned the Hamas terrorist attack that brutally targeted civilians (akin to our 9/11) and thus the US ‘stood’ with Israel in that regard, understanding exactly what that feels like.
Israel’s war cabinet on Wednesday approved the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza from Egypt after pressure from the U.S. and other countries.
President Biden warned Israel in an interview aired on Sunday not to reoccupy Gaza, his first significant public effort to restrain America’s ally in the wake of the Hamas assault that killed more than 1,300 people, including at least 29 Americans.
Mr. Biden has offered staunch support for Israel since the Oct. 7 attack and refused to criticize Israel for its retaliatory siege of Gaza, the coastal enclave controlled by Hamas, even as U.N. officials have warned of a humanitarian crisis there. But in the new interview, he cautioned against a full-scale occupation of Gaza.
“I think it’d be a big mistake,” Mr. Biden told “60 Minutes” on CBS in a conversation taped on Thursday and aired on Sunday night. “Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that it would be a mistake for Israel to occupy Gaza again.” But “taking out the extremists” there, he added, “is a necessary requirement.”
The U.S. will send $100 million in aid for humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, President Joe Biden said on Wednesday. “This money will support more than 1 million displaced in conflict affected Palestinians, including emergency needs in Gaza,” Biden said Wednesday during a speech in Tel Aviv.
Hamas (UK: /həˈmæs/, US: /həˈmɑːs/ ⓘ;[43] Arabic: حماس Ḥamās [ħaˈmaːs]),[44] officially the Islamic Resistance Movement (حركة المقاومة الإسلامية Ḥarakah al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah), is a Sunni Islamist[45] political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories.
Anyways, Hamas didn’t launch the rockets that hit the hospital - Palestinian Islamic Jihad did.
I’m not in the conversation. Just saying that this is not a public square and “free speech” (often synonymous to hate speech) might not be tolerated here.
Ironically, the comment you replied to got deleted, so…
You believe it because the US said so? The same country that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians?
Because they said so, and it was independently verifiable and they brought surveillance that confirmed it. And Gaza clearly lied about the size, location, and scope of the “bombing”. And there’s multiple videos of it.
Not taking any sides here because I think it’s still unclear what actually happened, but:
This is a weird point. It’s not like government workers unilaterally know when the people at the top are lying. If your friends are of high enough position to know the truth of the matter, it would be the priority of national security to not share the truth to you, should the truth be something other than what the government claims.
I can imagine being in your shoes and trusting your friends; that’s always a nice spot to be in. I just don’t see how this claim bolsters your previous argument.
Your friends working for the government holds no values, because the government itself, lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraq civilians. What’s your response to that?
My response to that is that the millions of people who live in the USA largely live comfortable, peaceful lives with access to excellent resources like education, jobs, medical care (you can debate the costs/I support single payer, but it’s the best in the world otherwise), national and state parks, etc. I’m happy and I trust my friends in various parts of the government who vouch for their leadership.
Jihads misfire, blow up a Gaza hospital, blame it on Israel and people believe it.
On top of it, the hospital wasn’t even blown up.
A three foot wide crater out front, yeah. Definitely looks like the detonation of either a very small bomb or something that didn’t explode as intended. Definitely not a fucking JDAM crater, that’s for sure.
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/18/world/israel-hamas-war-biden-gaza/heres-the-latest-on-the-war?smid=url-share
“Appears as though”…“information still being collected”. Wow, so confident.
Here’s a post with the actual analysis, including IJ fighters admitting it
https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-768942
Ah yes the unbiased Jerusalem post
If it makes any difference, the White House has made a statement that it wasn’t Israel.
… You’re not from the US, are you?
Lmao
PNW my whole life.
That wouldn’t be the white house that has lied every time it’s in it’s interests to?
Bias is irrelevant when I posted the article for the evidence within.
Instead of writing that comment, you could have read the article and seen the evidence
Thanks for this. Any other sources confirming the context of the IJ call?
I’m actually so confused as to what actually happened. I literally don’t get the narrative because either story is believable
Hamas terrorists brutally murdered at least 5 Canadians and are currently holding/torturing several more as hostages in Gaza. Is that also BS?
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Canadians promoting the slaughter of natives? thats a first /s
So you are saying that everyone in Gaza is Hamas?
No but being part of Hamas does not erase ones Palestinian identity. Hamas is still made of natives trying to defend themselves from colonizers. Nice try tho.
Hamas is not defending anyone from anything. The only thing Hamas brings is death and terror but that is probably exactly what you want.
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Know what’s “dubious?” Taking the word of a terrorist group that slaughtered Canadian civilians.
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You’re defending the terrorist group that murdered Canadian citizens. Deranged.
You straight up defending “Human Shield” Hamas after they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on the IDF isn’t the moral high ground you deserepately need.
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Me too. Except there is little evidence that this was a war crime. Maybe save the outrage for the clear-cut stuff.
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Says the person who calls BS on the almost certain fact that Hamas/IJ was trying to blame blowing up the hospital on IDF without any arguments.
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First, it was a separate paramilitary group from Hamas called PIJ, second they obviously didn’t intentionally bomb their own hospital. They fired a shitty rocket out of a civilian area, as they typically do, and the engine failed over the hospital.
There is recorded communications between PIJ members talking about the misfire. They just aren’t accepting blame publicly as it’s advantageous to try and pin it on Israel.
To blame it on Israel. Isn’t that obvious?
Source for your bullshit propaganda?
Biden said that he believes the US intelligence that points to it being an errant rocket coming from the Palestinian side of the fence.
That said, at this point, is anyone going to believe what anyone says?
Just like the US intelligence that told Bush there were WMDs in Iraq?
The difference is Bush was a lying republican war monger
US and Israel have basically been in lockstep for decades (despite the whole supposed Obama/Netanyahu row), this isn’t really worth anything.
And it’s not like Hamas or Hezbollah have a trustworthy reputation.
Nobody does. Even someone with the best reputation could be lying, too. People need to stop taking governments on faith like that, it’s absolutely moronic. If they didn’t present evidence that you took the time to evaluate for yourself whether or not it was proof, you just don’t know at all.
Absolutely NOT true. The US pressured Israel into allowing aid to flow into gaza, turn on other necessities, etc. They have condemned the Hamas terrorist attack that brutally targeted civilians (akin to our 9/11) and thus the US ‘stood’ with Israel in that regard, understanding exactly what that feels like.
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/18/gaza-humanitarian-aid-entry-israel-netanyahu-biden
The story doesn’t end there:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/18/biden-humanitarian-aid-gaza-west-bank-00122212
but go ahead, just claim us = Israel, you clearly don’t give a fuck about reality so why not?
Joined two days ago to exclusively advocate for Hamas terrorists. Looks suspicious.
No advocation for Hamas from my side.
I simply chose to join the Fediverse (Lemmy in particular as I really liked Reddit) to have freedom of speech.
Over to you, Hamas doesn’t exist in the west bank, so why are people there getting killed?
This event happened in the Gaza Strip. And Hamas’ exists in the West Bank, they just don’t rule there.
Lol, you don’t think Hamas rules Gaza?
Hamas (UK: /həˈmæs/, US: /həˈmɑːs/ ⓘ;[43] Arabic: حماس Ḥamās [ħaˈmaːs]),[44] officially the Islamic Resistance Movement (حركة المقاومة الإسلامية Ḥarakah al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah), is a Sunni Islamist[45] political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories.
Anyways, Hamas didn’t launch the rockets that hit the hospital - Palestinian Islamic Jihad did.
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I’m not promoting any hate, just because you consider it hate, does it mean it’s actually hate. Still, no answer for my question yet.
I’m not in the conversation. Just saying that this is not a public square and “free speech” (often synonymous to hate speech) might not be tolerated here.
Ironically, the comment you replied to got deleted, so…
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/18/world/israel-hamas-war-biden-gaza/heres-the-latest-on-the-war?smid=url-share
Shut up.
You believe it because the US said so? The same country that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians?
Because they said so, and it was independently verifiable and they brought surveillance that confirmed it. And Gaza clearly lied about the size, location, and scope of the “bombing”. And there’s multiple videos of it.
Yeah, I actually do. I have friends who work for the government and I trust them completely. Crazy, right?
Not taking any sides here because I think it’s still unclear what actually happened, but:
This is a weird point. It’s not like government workers unilaterally know when the people at the top are lying. If your friends are of high enough position to know the truth of the matter, it would be the priority of national security to not share the truth to you, should the truth be something other than what the government claims.
I can imagine being in your shoes and trusting your friends; that’s always a nice spot to be in. I just don’t see how this claim bolsters your previous argument.
That is indeed crazy.
Your friends working for the government holds no values, because the government itself, lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraq civilians. What’s your response to that?
My response to that is that the millions of people who live in the USA largely live comfortable, peaceful lives with access to excellent resources like education, jobs, medical care (you can debate the costs/I support single payer, but it’s the best in the world otherwise), national and state parks, etc. I’m happy and I trust my friends in various parts of the government who vouch for their leadership.