Busted for attempting fraud for EV rebates in Canada at numbers not physically possible and being stupid and arrogant enough to think he’d get away with it
Musk believes he’s smarter than everyone else. So think of how stupid Musk is, then imagine how dumb he must believe everyone else is in order for him to be the smartest man alive.
What I love is that it’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
The whole reason it has such an absurd valuation, 20x higher than a normal car company, is that they convinced investors they weren’t just a boring car company. They had a visionary CEO who was going to keep innovating and growing the company in ways that normal car companies could never replicate. He was Tony Stark! Now they’re in a situation where it’s that same CEO who’s dragging them down. His politics is tanking their reputation, so it’s tanking their stock value.
The problem is, if they dump him as CEO, there’s absolutely no way to justify the absurd P/E ratio. They can’t just go out and appoint another supposed “Tony Stark” to run the company. That means they stick with him and their stock price tanks because he’s one of the most hated people in the world. Or, they ditch him and their stock price tanks because with their visionary CEO gone, the jig is up and there’s clearly no way to justify a P/E ratio of 100 when Toyota has a P/E ratio of approximately 7.
And for Elon, half his wealth is Tesla stock, and he borrowed against that Tesla stock to fund his Twitter purchase. If Tesla tanks, it all could come crashing down around him. There’s no escape for him either. He can’t realistically even sell his stock because as soon as he started trying to do that it would signal his lack of confidence and cause the value to plummet.
It’s just annoying that Tesla’s stock isn’t crashing faster. So many people who don’t believe in the sunk cost fallacy, and are desperately lying to themselves rather than cashing out before the bubble bursts.
I think the writing on the wall is that the US stock market is going in a direction. If you may need that money in the next decade or ever it may be an excellent idea to diversify.
This is not financial advice but the US exchange is highly volatile at the moment.
We have seen the crowd turn against someone, hating someone, many times. It always blows over. Thats why we dont talk about what happened a year ago anymore.
Buying the stock now will pay off very much in a year from now, unless Tesla goes bankrupt, which I doubt. Musk has powerful friends.
I fact, I think it hit bottom a few days ago, at 232 dollars. It has recovered to 250 in the last few days.
I guess this is a good argument. I think elon is a child with mental issues. And obviously he is part of destroying what America stands for in the world.
I dont own Tesla stock at the moment, but when it starts going up, tons of people will jump on that train just to make money. Maybe you too.
While he is actively dismantling the government we all rely on it will not just “blow over”. Also, Tesla as a company is on a downward track no matter what. What happens to a car company when no one buys their cars anymore?
Tesla has been losing ground for a while. They were one of the first mass produced EVs with charging infrastructure, but now what makes them special?
They have positioned themselves as a software/ai company but it was just a way to boost stock price.
They don’t have full self driving (fsd) that’s been promised as next year for the past 10 years. On top of it they only rely on cameras for fsd and no lidar systems so I don’t think they’ll ever get full clearance outside the US.
So even if they ditch Elon I’m not sure if the sentiment can be brought back. Sure they may not go bankrupt but the stock should fall in line with other auto manufacturing companies.
Nothing makes them special today, but things can quickly change. Lemmy has such a young audience so many here dont seem to get that, but lets see where it is in a year.
I wish Lemmy would have the “remind me in a year” function…
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I’m primarily going to hold you to this statement:
We have seen the crowd turn against someone, hating someone, many times. It always blows over. Thats why we dont talk about what happened a year ago anymore.
The bad will generated in the past few months won’t blow over for Musk. This also means that, for example, if Tesla gets rid of Musk in the year to come, then their value in a year doesn’t really mean much to this argument. :) See you in March 2026.
Just a quick summary:
How anyone can still hold on to Tesla stock is beyond me.
And they pay no dividends.
Busted for attempting fraud for EV rebates in Canada at numbers not physically possible and being stupid and arrogant enough to think he’d get away with it
Musk believes he’s smarter than everyone else. So think of how stupid Musk is, then imagine how dumb he must believe everyone else is in order for him to be the smartest man alive.
Have/will they face any repercussions for this though?
Actually, because it’s not a fraudulent oligarchy, Transport Canada is actually investigating
https://electrek.co/2025/03/07/tesla-made-a-suspicious-number-of-rebate-requests-on-last-days-of-canadian-ev-incentive/
You left out “Incredibly high P/E”
What I love is that it’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
The whole reason it has such an absurd valuation, 20x higher than a normal car company, is that they convinced investors they weren’t just a boring car company. They had a visionary CEO who was going to keep innovating and growing the company in ways that normal car companies could never replicate. He was Tony Stark! Now they’re in a situation where it’s that same CEO who’s dragging them down. His politics is tanking their reputation, so it’s tanking their stock value.
The problem is, if they dump him as CEO, there’s absolutely no way to justify the absurd P/E ratio. They can’t just go out and appoint another supposed “Tony Stark” to run the company. That means they stick with him and their stock price tanks because he’s one of the most hated people in the world. Or, they ditch him and their stock price tanks because with their visionary CEO gone, the jig is up and there’s clearly no way to justify a P/E ratio of 100 when Toyota has a P/E ratio of approximately 7.
And for Elon, half his wealth is Tesla stock, and he borrowed against that Tesla stock to fund his Twitter purchase. If Tesla tanks, it all could come crashing down around him. There’s no escape for him either. He can’t realistically even sell his stock because as soon as he started trying to do that it would signal his lack of confidence and cause the value to plummet.
It’s just annoying that Tesla’s stock isn’t crashing faster. So many people who don’t believe in the sunk cost fallacy, and are desperately lying to themselves rather than cashing out before the bubble bursts.
and the rebate fraud in canada.
My Rivian and Lucid stocks were doing great before Trump fucked everything up.
Bail while you can. Nobody is going to buy American for a generation.
I think the writing on the wall is that the US stock market is going in a direction. If you may need that money in the next decade or ever it may be an excellent idea to diversify.
This is not financial advice but the US exchange is highly volatile at the moment.
Life experience.
We have seen the crowd turn against someone, hating someone, many times. It always blows over. Thats why we dont talk about what happened a year ago anymore.
Buying the stock now will pay off very much in a year from now, unless Tesla goes bankrupt, which I doubt. Musk has powerful friends.
I fact, I think it hit bottom a few days ago, at 232 dollars. It has recovered to 250 in the last few days.
Even if it does recover like you say, you’re cool with gifting money to an actual nazi who’s dismantling the US government?
I guess this is a good argument. I think elon is a child with mental issues. And obviously he is part of destroying what America stands for in the world.
I dont own Tesla stock at the moment, but when it starts going up, tons of people will jump on that train just to make money. Maybe you too.
So: “I don’t have a moral compass when it comes to financial invesments and assume you don’t either.”?
Yeah I dont pick investments based on their morality. I believe thats a losing strategy.
Yeah, I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? looks around
So… How much GameStop stock are you still holding? 🤭
Haha :) I actually missed that train completely. I remember doing minor day trading but not being successful in that one.
While he is actively dismantling the government we all rely on it will not just “blow over”. Also, Tesla as a company is on a downward track no matter what. What happens to a car company when no one buys their cars anymore?
It goes down in value on the stock market for a while. Revenue reports will show less profits.
But all this is temporary.
What exactly do you think gives value to a company’s stock?
Tesla has been losing ground for a while. They were one of the first mass produced EVs with charging infrastructure, but now what makes them special? They have positioned themselves as a software/ai company but it was just a way to boost stock price. They don’t have full self driving (fsd) that’s been promised as next year for the past 10 years. On top of it they only rely on cameras for fsd and no lidar systems so I don’t think they’ll ever get full clearance outside the US.
So even if they ditch Elon I’m not sure if the sentiment can be brought back. Sure they may not go bankrupt but the stock should fall in line with other auto manufacturing companies.
Nothing makes them special today, but things can quickly change. Lemmy has such a young audience so many here dont seem to get that, but lets see where it is in a year.
I wish Lemmy would have the “remind me in a year” function…
If you have a moment I would love to talk to you about a rich investment opportunity best know as artisanal gourds. Not since Blockbuster has the soil been so rich and the climate been so perfect for artisanal gourds. If you act now I have a bridge that is heavily discounted we can discuss.
Ill pass on this fantastic one time offer. :)
Lemmy actually skews older, and also there is a remindme bot on Mastodon that works on Lemmy.
@[email protected] 1 year
It has started already: https://www.tradingview.com/news/tradingview:67fc48517094b:0-tsla-tesla-stock-just-made-a-roaring-comeback-up-12-but-can-it-sustain-the-charge/
Ok message me then, its a good chance Tesla is up 50% from its current value. If not, we can have good laugh about it.
I’m primarily going to hold you to this statement:
The bad will generated in the past few months won’t blow over for Musk. This also means that, for example, if Tesla gets rid of Musk in the year to come, then their value in a year doesn’t really mean much to this argument. :) See you in March 2026.
Im excited already to see where we will be. Hopefully not in the middle of a world war, then none of this matters…
See you then!