but it is a mistake to assume that people who are not vegan don’t know this yet. You feel like your conclusion is obvious and irrefutable, and if people could just understand the logic, we’d all be vegans.

You’re going to be disappointed to learn that a lot of non-vegans know this already, and a lot more don’t but learning it won’t change their minds about using or consuming animal products. Very few will actually change their habits, and even fewer will campaign for animal rights.

That is simply plain wrong as most people do not know of the plant-based alternatives to the animal-derived products. Like for example I didn’t know there were omega 3 capsules made out of Algae oil or that you can get your required protein from beans, lentils and nuts.

I was brainwashed into believing that “milk, meat and fish was necessary to survive” until I learned better.

Actually, I prefer [email protected] because on the db0 one the moderator won’t let me post anything.

Dbzer0 and P.D are both great instances!

I personally support the consolidation to dbzer0!