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ID: WookieeMark @EvilGenXer posted:
"OK so look, Capitalism is right wing.
Period.
If you are pro-capitalism, you are Right Wing.
There is no pro-capitalist Left. That’s a polite fiction in the US that no one can afford any longer as the ecosystem is actually collapsing around us."
What is Finland though? Social democracy seems pretty good but still fits in with capitalism as far as I can tell
Neoliberal, just like the rest of the “socialist” nordics (E: having socialised aspects to the state and or economy, or even being a “social democracy” does not socialism make), which are all on the exact same trajectory as the rest of us, only a few years behind.
Do you have an example of a properly socialist country that is doing better than the nordics?
Otherwise, perhaps we should look closely at the politics in the nordics for inspiration of what to do that actually seems to work?
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Well, now that Simo is dead anyway, they couldn’t take Finland last time! They uh…also didn’t fight the nazis until '44-'45, there was also '41-'44…
Whatever social safety nets and programs they have will be dismantled as Western capitalism devours itself. As is happening all around Europe
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We already see a lot of talk of Cutting back on social spending in favor of military spending.. There’s also the pension and retirement changes most of Europe has already implemented to some degree. It’s likely we’ll see changes as drastic as what the UK are doing right now in the coming years, specially if the war in Ukraine doesn’t go the way of NATO.
The changes in pension spending all over Europe are caused by demographic changes, not capitalism. There are more and more retirees becoming older and older, while the working population stays the same or shrinks. A socialist state would have the exact same problems to pay for that.
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So I make the fairly mild claim that capitalists will destroy the public sector when profits go down. You ask for sources of that claim (even though I’m just making a prediction based on past trends). I then show you that these talks of cutting back spending are already happening, and you dismiss it because I can’t predict the future? And I am the biased one here?
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Finland still pollutes the world at unsustainable levels, exploits the global south for raw materials and cheap labour, and is on a downwards trend to fascism like all of Europe. Liberal democracy only has one conclusion, and it’s fascism.