• Furbag@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    First they tried “But he was rich!” And that didn’t stick, so now they’re going back to the old political divisiveness play book with “but he was a right-winger!”.

    Don’t fall for it. The powers that be desperately want public opinion to turn on this guy.

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      The fun thing about this is that the more the media doubles down on “he’s a right-winger!”, the more united the rest of us may become over him.

      Think about it - Hardcore right-wingers in the US strongly wish to associate with “their own” team/teammates. If Luigi had been left-wing, this division tactic could have worked to convince a number of them to turn against him. Instead, highlighting his conservative viewpoints gives right-wingers more reason to cheer for him.

      Meanwhile, left-wingers and their diversity tend to identify less as a single “team.” They’ve got more free-thinkers, both of the scientific “skeptic” mindset and of the artistic “open possibilities” mindset (or both.) Either way, there is recognition that they aren’t all going to agree 100% with each other on everything, but they still recognize that we’re all in this together.

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        The corporate media are inveterate reactionaries - that stance even sums up their business model. It is hilarious that they are so lost in their own bullshit that they assume their enemies are reactionary also.

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    A tech bro killed a CEO and united the whole country in their hate for a predatory system that makes money off the suffering of everyday people like me.

    I wouldn’t care if he warmed up tuna sandwiches in the office microwave.

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      I wouldn’t care if he warmed up tuna sandwiches in the office microwave.

      Too far. Way too far.

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    Even if he’s scum of the earth (doubt it) the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    He seems run of the mill rich gen z tech bro with serious back problems. Which makes his points even stronger being a traitor to his class. Assuming he’s the shooter.

    This story isn’t going away and the rich -especially those rich from blatantly problematic industries - should be scared.

    There’s a very deep genuine anger in this country and it’s tied to emotionally charged life or death issues. I’m just surprised it’s taken this long for the powder keg to start to blow…

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    Let’s say that this is the guy, and that he’s a CHUD.

    A guy like that still shot a CEO over social ills. Only when it became personal, apparently, but still.

    That should leave healthcare executives fucking terrified. A guy like this acted the way y’all think communist revolutionaries like *checks notes* Chuck Schumer will act.

    Denying half of all claims makes medical agony personal for a metric shitload of people.

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      I’m actually not surprised that it was somebody like this. Rich white men are the most entitled group in the US. Everything is supposed to work for them. So if they get fucked over, they’re more likely to have a psychotic break.

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      He should read some Kant and Hume.

      Human reason, in one sphere of its cognition, is called upon to consider questions, which it cannot decline, as they are presented by its own nature, but which it cannot answer, as they transcend every faculty of the mind.

      Reason is and ought only to be a slave to the passions

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        He may have read both - apparently he’s very well read. My guess is he would disagree with Hume on that point, but I don’t know the guy.

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          Well Hume was right. Reason can’t derive axioms. It can’t create purpose from nothing. It can’t solve the is-ought problem. Passion can. Passion can say “the world should be like this. Why? Because I want it to be”. Reason can’t do that. And thus, reason should exist only to serve passion.

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            OTOH reason has kept a roof over my head when my passion would have had me do Arduino projects or write D&D campaigns instead of working. Maybe Hume’s gf had a job.

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              Why should you have a roof over your head? If emotions are irrelevant, what’s the difference between that and being homeless?

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                Survival. The emotions are ultimately just crude tools the brain and body have for promoting the survival of the person.

                Their crudeness is probably best illustrated with phobias.

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                  If emotions are irrelevant, why survive? Why not lie down and die? You say it’s not your fear of death or your love of life. Is it some form of worship of the purpose evolution has given you? That sounds emotional to drag.

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        I don’t think they’d find that very insightful.

        It’s plain hedonism. I’m sure they’re familiar with the idea.

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            Bentham developed hedonistic calculus. The foundation is a multivariate ethical vector space. He rationalized hedonism to the extreme. The passions are explicitly tempered for a calculated greater good.

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                No? Once reason restricts passion, the hierarchy collapses. An action that causes yourself mild pain, but pleasure of greater extent to others, is preferable to an action that causes many others pain even if it gives you pleasure personally. Reason demands you restrain yourself from the passions that would harm others. That’s not unilateral fealty. Axioms must be assumed, but the most powerful systems assume as few as possible, and leave most of the legwork to reason.

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      He might be a sexist, racist nazi, I’ll still give him a pass. Deeds speak louder than words.

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        Exactly! Idk how we went away from this but whatever goes inside your head doesn’t matter at the end of the day, you can be hateful all you want if your able to do good actions.

        That’s what freedom of speech is suppose to mean, it’s fine when it’s all thought experiments and hypotheticals, but when you put thoughts into action, then there can be consequences if said actions are bad.

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      Yes! I am a leftist now, but I was raised Christian conservative. I truly believe that if you don’t believe that people can learn and grow then can you truly call yourself a leftist?