they take their profits elsewhere, you can say ‘goodbye’ to the world order that the US is almost solely propping up.
I’m fairly sure in some way that’s what most of this sub should want explicitly, but while you imagine that necessarily as a slide backwards, I’m fairly convinced if the US ever gets to a wealth Tax their world order is already collapsing, and we are collectively transitioning to a better one. A world order based on actual global democratic decisions, instead of US Neo-imperialist domination perhaps.
You assume that most of these companies wouldn’t just move to a single destination that wouldn’t do the same shit that America did, which is to cater to rich people so that they can generate massive wealth for themselves and the governments of that nation. Unless the entire population of the world decides on a system that’s not like this one, it won’t happen; period. It’ll just shift elsewhere.
And no matter how bad America is, I can imagine worse alternatives (hint: China)
Wait, do you mean the China that American companies have already moved to and paid taxes to in order to avoid paying US taxes and employing American workers, thus never contributing to the creation of wealth in the US? THAT China?
…are you fucking serious right now? Do you really think that offshoring your manufacturing means ‘moving out of America’, or that it’s done to ‘avoid paying taxes’? Do you not understand that the vast majority of a company’s value isn’t created in the sweatshops where laborers are paid nickels and dimes, but in the boardrooms of megacorps where marketing departments put thousand-dollar labels on smartphones that cost a hundred dollars to make?
Yes. I totally get that. And if they dont want to pay workers and have a decent profit in favor of not paying workers for an obscene profit, they they can pack their asses up and move to China and let Xi tell them how to run their business.
Better that than someone with no substantial argument to make. Maybe take some time to actually learn about how our economy functions? From books I mean, not YouTube videos
Our ecconomy does not function. It is wildly dysfunctional. It collapses on a regular basis by design. I for one am not going to defend it or the people who cause those collapses.
Yes how about trying to imagine better alternatives instead of assuming everything impossible then.
If the US led world order collapses that might be bad temporarily for US residents and it would be a great win for almost everyone else, almost by necessity. Again many winners few losers, much like the wealth tax. And not everyone needs to actually take up a better system, this is completely true in our current system already.
That’s such a narrow take. It won’t just be ‘bad temporarily for US citizens’ if the only country that’s a counter to China ceases to be a pre-eminent world player.
You know the world has other places than China and the US right. And that the us can still be a very powerful country without being the current hegemon. Certainly a welath tax wouldn’t achieve such impressive collapse in less than a few decades. The only real problem with a complete downfall of us hegemony might actually be the Taiwan situation.
But literally all of africa and south America would be in a much better situation if the US wouldn’t continue to have the power to protect some of its more historic foreign assets large parts of SEA and the middle east would also have much to celebrate.
You seem strangely scared of china while having little empathy towards anyone that might be suffering under US aligned rule. My take isn’t narrow but your view of the world might be. If you are at least from the US I might understand somewhat, if not then yikes.
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This system is propped up by UK and led US world order, so the US prevents other countries from feeling the benefit of their resources and labour, it’s a really common complaint.
It also prevents proper tracing of the Stagering 1.8 trillion dollars in annual revenue of organised crime, and guess what most of the welath doesn’t end up back in south America or SEA …
All the nation states are garbage the US is currently the worst just simply because it is the most powerful and protects it’s interests, naturally the second most powerful one seems threatening, but it’s mostly a paper tiger, and yes it’s still worse than anything but the us because it’s the second most powerful and so on and so on…
I don’t particularly care which modern empire is still raping Africa(…), I’m mostly just saying throw the greatest rapist out first and then continue until they are all gone.
Telling the world opposition against US ideals is a universally bad take is like telling Ukrainians that defending their country is a bad take.
China US and Russia can all be imperialistic assholes in different ways and relying on one for protection against another isn’t actually a particularly good deal for any third party.
But the simple fact that I don’t like US superiority gets you to label me tankie, it’s simply a little bit of a US centric take.
I just fundamentally don’t believe there needs to be a Hegemon and also don’t agree that china will necessarily be able/willing to actually assume that role. There is at best circumstantial evidence for that scenario. Especially because the US doesn’t cease to exist and is likely able to oppose china when it matters. Why is there no future where the power distribution is more diffuse, where there are other significant players, where decision making in the context of the world is actually made through good dialogue, or god forbid super national democratic institutions.
Where is the evidence for china becoming a Hegemon being the only possible conclusion of the US not being one. I fundamentally don’t see it except the few times a year where i stumble over a piece written by the US military industrial complex.
I’m fairly sure in some way that’s what most of this sub should want explicitly, but while you imagine that necessarily as a slide backwards, I’m fairly convinced if the US ever gets to a wealth Tax their world order is already collapsing, and we are collectively transitioning to a better one. A world order based on actual global democratic decisions, instead of US Neo-imperialist domination perhaps.
You assume that most of these companies wouldn’t just move to a single destination that wouldn’t do the same shit that America did, which is to cater to rich people so that they can generate massive wealth for themselves and the governments of that nation. Unless the entire population of the world decides on a system that’s not like this one, it won’t happen; period. It’ll just shift elsewhere.
And no matter how bad America is, I can imagine worse alternatives (hint: China)
Wait, do you mean the China that American companies have already moved to and paid taxes to in order to avoid paying US taxes and employing American workers, thus never contributing to the creation of wealth in the US? THAT China?
…are you fucking serious right now? Do you really think that offshoring your manufacturing means ‘moving out of America’, or that it’s done to ‘avoid paying taxes’? Do you not understand that the vast majority of a company’s value isn’t created in the sweatshops where laborers are paid nickels and dimes, but in the boardrooms of megacorps where marketing departments put thousand-dollar labels on smartphones that cost a hundred dollars to make?
Yes. I totally get that. And if they dont want to pay workers and have a decent profit in favor of not paying workers for an obscene profit, they they can pack their asses up and move to China and let Xi tell them how to run their business.
Wow, rock solid argument. ‘Yeah, idc if the US economy loses literal trillions if companies like MS and Apple move out! Who cares right?!’
Seriously, thanks for reminding me that, while things are already pretty fucking bleak, we’re still not living in the worst-case scenario.
That is some serious corporate cuckery there, bro. Are you sure you arent three CEOs in a trenchcoat?
Better that than someone with no substantial argument to make. Maybe take some time to actually learn about how our economy functions? From books I mean, not YouTube videos
Our ecconomy does not function. It is wildly dysfunctional. It collapses on a regular basis by design. I for one am not going to defend it or the people who cause those collapses.
Yes how about trying to imagine better alternatives instead of assuming everything impossible then.
If the US led world order collapses that might be bad temporarily for US residents and it would be a great win for almost everyone else, almost by necessity. Again many winners few losers, much like the wealth tax. And not everyone needs to actually take up a better system, this is completely true in our current system already.
That’s such a narrow take. It won’t just be ‘bad temporarily for US citizens’ if the only country that’s a counter to China ceases to be a pre-eminent world player.
You know the world has other places than China and the US right. And that the us can still be a very powerful country without being the current hegemon. Certainly a welath tax wouldn’t achieve such impressive collapse in less than a few decades. The only real problem with a complete downfall of us hegemony might actually be the Taiwan situation.
But literally all of africa and south America would be in a much better situation if the US wouldn’t continue to have the power to protect some of its more historic foreign assets large parts of SEA and the middle east would also have much to celebrate.
You seem strangely scared of china while having little empathy towards anyone that might be suffering under US aligned rule. My take isn’t narrow but your view of the world might be. If you are at least from the US I might understand somewhat, if not then yikes.
Oh shit, now I get it. Sorry, didn’t know you were a tankie.
This system is propped up by UK and led US world order, so the US prevents other countries from feeling the benefit of their resources and labour, it’s a really common complaint.
It also prevents proper tracing of the Stagering 1.8 trillion dollars in annual revenue of organised crime, and guess what most of the welath doesn’t end up back in south America or SEA …
All the nation states are garbage the US is currently the worst just simply because it is the most powerful and protects it’s interests, naturally the second most powerful one seems threatening, but it’s mostly a paper tiger, and yes it’s still worse than anything but the us because it’s the second most powerful and so on and so on…
I don’t particularly care which modern empire is still raping Africa(…), I’m mostly just saying throw the greatest rapist out first and then continue until they are all gone.
Telling the world opposition against US ideals is a universally bad take is like telling Ukrainians that defending their country is a bad take.
China US and Russia can all be imperialistic assholes in different ways and relying on one for protection against another isn’t actually a particularly good deal for any third party.
But the simple fact that I don’t like US superiority gets you to label me tankie, it’s simply a little bit of a US centric take.
So what’s your solution to all this? Because if the US is down, you know China will emerge as the next hegemon and they’re magnitudes worse.
I just fundamentally don’t believe there needs to be a Hegemon and also don’t agree that china will necessarily be able/willing to actually assume that role. There is at best circumstantial evidence for that scenario. Especially because the US doesn’t cease to exist and is likely able to oppose china when it matters. Why is there no future where the power distribution is more diffuse, where there are other significant players, where decision making in the context of the world is actually made through good dialogue, or god forbid super national democratic institutions.
Where is the evidence for china becoming a Hegemon being the only possible conclusion of the US not being one. I fundamentally don’t see it except the few times a year where i stumble over a piece written by the US military industrial complex.