This isn’t saying “it’s just in your head”. This isn’t claiming taking a walk will cure you. But this is suggesting clinically-proven treatments that may ease symptoms.
Are there toxic people out there who think mental disorders are not real? Sure. But jumping to the conclusion that the people trying to offer solutions are downplaying your illness and being “heartless” and “stupid” is a fairly significant jump to make from just “hey maybe you should try these clinically-proven treatments”.
In the quote we’re discussing he specifically mentions people telling him to just not be depressed. Which is absolutely not useful advice. And something I hear all the time.
Yeah I came to say this. Tried to kill myself as a teenager. Nothing helped my mental health more than getting my act together. Diet, sleep, exercise, and less toxic media. there is no hard line between mental health and physical self. Your whole being is in constant conversation.
I just want to point out that even you qualify these benefits.
It MAY ease symptoms. Or it may not.
It may EASE symptoms, but it won’t get rid of them entirely.
It may ease SYMPTOMS, but it’s not a cure.
They’re like on the first page of results of anyone who has depression when they look up how to break out of it, so there’s an incredibly high likelihood you’re not the first person to discover hydration and exercise. They also don’t work for everyone, so it can be especially disheartening to hear the same advice over and over when it hasn’t worked for you in the past. It starts feeling like no one listens before they give the same ‘hydration and exercise’ mantra.
Yes because I don’t expect every friend of mine to be a licensed psychiatrist capable of diagnosing and prescribing medication. Heck, even a lot of medications use that exact same qualified language in their advertising because the human body and mind are incredibly complicated and inconsistent things.
It’s like when I get a cold and my mom tells me to keep my fluids up. It helps and shows she cares even if it’s nowhere near as good as antibiotics. And yes of course I already know to stay hydrated. Just like I know how the weather has been and I remember the story she tells me 4 times a year of that time my older sister broke the neighbor’s window with a basketball.
Lashing out in anger at those trying to reach out and help you isn’t going to make you feel better even if their advice isn’t perfect.
Are you suggesting that when friends are giving armchair mental health advice that they actually went out and thoroughly researched your situation, somehow without you ever realizing it, as well as did a review of recent medical literature on possible solutions?
That would be quite amazing, but some people have amazing friends. Unfortunately, others might not be so lucky.
Except that these are real, clinically-proven treatments for depression.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/depression-and-exercise/art-20046495
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2020/04/nurtured-nature
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/effects-of-hydration-status-on-cognitive-performance-and-mood/1210B6BE585E03C71A299C52B51B22F7
This isn’t saying “it’s just in your head”. This isn’t claiming taking a walk will cure you. But this is suggesting clinically-proven treatments that may ease symptoms.
Are there toxic people out there who think mental disorders are not real? Sure. But jumping to the conclusion that the people trying to offer solutions are downplaying your illness and being “heartless” and “stupid” is a fairly significant jump to make from just “hey maybe you should try these clinically-proven treatments”.
In the quote we’re discussing he specifically mentions people telling him to just not be depressed. Which is absolutely not useful advice. And something I hear all the time.
“Just be happy” is not useful or caring advice.
Yeah I came to say this. Tried to kill myself as a teenager. Nothing helped my mental health more than getting my act together. Diet, sleep, exercise, and less toxic media. there is no hard line between mental health and physical self. Your whole being is in constant conversation.
I just want to point out that even you qualify these benefits.
It MAY ease symptoms. Or it may not. It may EASE symptoms, but it won’t get rid of them entirely. It may ease SYMPTOMS, but it’s not a cure.
They’re like on the first page of results of anyone who has depression when they look up how to break out of it, so there’s an incredibly high likelihood you’re not the first person to discover hydration and exercise. They also don’t work for everyone, so it can be especially disheartening to hear the same advice over and over when it hasn’t worked for you in the past. It starts feeling like no one listens before they give the same ‘hydration and exercise’ mantra.
Yes because I don’t expect every friend of mine to be a licensed psychiatrist capable of diagnosing and prescribing medication. Heck, even a lot of medications use that exact same qualified language in their advertising because the human body and mind are incredibly complicated and inconsistent things.
It’s like when I get a cold and my mom tells me to keep my fluids up. It helps and shows she cares even if it’s nowhere near as good as antibiotics. And yes of course I already know to stay hydrated. Just like I know how the weather has been and I remember the story she tells me 4 times a year of that time my older sister broke the neighbor’s window with a basketball.
Lashing out in anger at those trying to reach out and help you isn’t going to make you feel better even if their advice isn’t perfect.
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No one said that came first or that those other things didn’t happen. You’re just trying to move goalposts on an internet argument now lol.
Are you suggesting that when friends are giving armchair mental health advice that they actually went out and thoroughly researched your situation, somehow without you ever realizing it, as well as did a review of recent medical literature on possible solutions?
That would be quite amazing, but some people have amazing friends. Unfortunately, others might not be so lucky.
Oh yeah my bad it’s wasaay better for your friends to just say “wow sounds like you’re doomed to be broken, good luck with that”.
This is just a mentally unwell person lashing out at those around them trying to help. Jokes and memes like this are more harmful than helpful.
Yeah, what the hell do these people want? What would be an acceptable response?
They don’t want to be better. They want validation that their mental health is not the result of their own actions.