• Gamma@beehaw.orgEnglish
    20·
    13 days ago

    They could’ve been telling you to go off because the not all men argument is unnecessary and pedantic. Obviously it’s not all men, but it’s enough of them that nobody should have to specify only the misogynists, racists, rapists, etc.

    It has always been bizarre to me that good people lump themselves in with them. You don’t have to be defensive! You can understand nuance!

    • xor@infosec.pub
      3·
      14 days ago

      the post i’m replying to says “ no __ with men”… 4 times… it’s silly to pretend that means only bad men….

      there’s no nuance in that list….

      blanket blaming MEN for everything is just as stupid as men acting like “all women are ___”.

      i thought the whole trans and non-binary thing would’ve taught people that’s it’s not a genetic problem with men, but a cultural problem with toxic masculinity….

      btw, women voted…. they could’ve all voted for feminist issues and anti-gop but they didn’t…. men AND women fucked this up for women AND men… we’re aaaaaaalllll fucked because of this stupid republicult, not because of a chromosome…

      but, go ahead and waste your time with stupid projects, women love doing that!
      (not all women, obviously… you understand nuance!)

      • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        10·
        13 days ago

        First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Klu Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

        Take a moment, a deep breath, some fresh clean air, and think about why you’re putting so much energy into saying… I dunno, all of the things that you’re saying.

        If this 4B thing were about liberating women from a literal slavery, if they falsly identified you as one of those nasty republicans, if they really did mean absolutely no men whatsoever: is it worth all of this anger you’re feeling? Is your quabble with them over your own love life more important than their fight for freedom? Do you not agree that they should be free?

        • xor@infosec.pub
          1·
          13 days ago

          “deep breath” “all this anger you’re feeling” “quabble”
          “do you not agree that they should be free”.
          …
          lol, pure trolling… not bad technique but a little over the top… you should try to actually get me angry before trying to act like i’m inferior for having emotions and not being a psychopath like you….
          but, you do you….

          • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            10·
            13 days ago

            If you’re not upset by the 4B women, what are you doing, then?

            Do you mean to tell me you’re in here arguing about something you don’t even believe in?

            It’s not a trick, man. Trump makes me angry. Dissidents to good-natured protest make me angry. Anti-intellectualism actually makes me really angry—I’m not shy about that.

            • xor@infosec.pub
              1·
              13 days ago

              it’s possible to say a thing without being upset or angry about it…
              but yep, classic troll tactics “you’re so angry!” “i insist that you’re angry” “if you’re not angry, how could you possibly be responding to anything!?!?”
              you’re very, very boring.
              you lost me a loooong time ago, petrol_sniff_king

      • futatorius@lemm.ee
        3·
        13 days ago

        It’s not just the men, it’s the social rituals and expectations that accompany marriage, dating, sex, etc. People internalize those unwritten rules, even when they intellectually know it’s bullshit. It’s the path of least resistance.

        Anyway, it’s their choice: some men, all men, whatever. From your (or my) point of view as a man, some women just won’t want to get with you, and they’re not obligated to explain why. That’s autonomy, and whining about it doesn’t change the fact that they don’t have to tell you their reasons. It’s ultimately none of your business. They can opt in if and when they choose, and if they choose not to, get over it.