Wondering if Modern LLMs like GPT4, Claude Sonnet and llama 3 are closer to human intelligence or next word predictor. Also not sure if this graph is right way to visualize it.

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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    1 month ago

    That’s literally how llma work, they quite literally are just next word predictors. There is zero intelligence to them.

    It’s literally a while token is not “stop”, predict next token.

    It’s just that they are pretty good at predicting the next token so it feels like intelligence.

    So on your graph, it would be a vertical line at 0.

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        30 days ago

        yeah yeah I’ve heard this argument before. “What is learning if not like training.” I’m not going to define it here. It doesn’t “think”. It doesn’t have nuance. It is simply a prediction engine. A very good prediction engine, but that’s all it is. I spent several months of unemployment teaching myself the ins and outs, developing against llms, training a few of my own. I’m very aware that it is not intelligence. It is a very clever trick it pulls off, and easy to fool people that it is intelligence - but it’s not.

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      1 month ago

      This is true if you describe a pure llm, like gpt3

      However systems like claude, gpt4o and 1o are far from just a single llm, they are a blend of tailored llms, machine learning some old fashioned code to weave it all together.

      Op does ask “modern llm” so technically you are right but i believed they did mean the more advanced “products”

      Though i would not be able to actually answer ops questions, ai is hard to directly compare with a human.

      In most ways its embarrassingly stupid, in other it has already surpassed us.

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        1 month ago

        No, unfortunately you are wrong.

        Gpt4 is a better version of gpt3.

        The brand new one that is allegedly “unhackable” just has a role hierarchy providing rules and that hasn’t been fulled tested in the wild yet.

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          29 days ago

          First, did you read even the research papers?

          Secondly, none are out that are actually immune to jailbreaking lol, Where did that claim come from?

          Gpt4 is just an llm. Indeed the better version of gpt3

          Gpt4o and 1o (claude-sonnet possibly also) rely on the generative capacities of the gpt4 model but there is allot more going under the hood that is not simply “generate the next token”

          We all agree that a pure text predictor are not at all intelligent.

          The discussion at hand is wether the current frontier of ai has moved the needle up. And i still would call it pretty dumb, but moving that needle, it did. Somewhere around (x2y0.5) if i have to use the meme. Stating its (0,0) just means people aren’t interested enough to pay attention, that these aren’t just llm anymore. That’s their right but i prefer people stopped joining the discussion so uninformed.